What I Really Think of Steem - Truth Talk

justineh in #freewrite • 5 years ago (edited)

So recently I was called "Anti-Steem" by a few individuals.. one who really needs to just grow up, and others who are just offended I won't wank them, like everyone else does.

Alas, here we are.

But because it seems that some were curious of my thoughts.. I figured I would share them in my traditional, ranty.. justine you are such a dick...way, so here goes nothing. ;)

I am a lot of things.. I am an asshole, I speak too much, I come across harsh sometimes, I am too opinionated and just all in all - An extremely flawed human being.

This is something I know, acknowledge, and try to work on. As I think growing as a person (becoming better than you were yesterday) is pretty important.. and it's a top priority of mine.

But I am Not Anti-Steem
And my actions prove that over and over again. I just am not playing the game you want me too.. and that pisses you off.

Here is a tip, I don't care. I am not here to please you.. so GFY.. ;)

I could end it there, but after a conversation last night with amazing people here who I have known since I joined Steem, I felt the need to make a post to say what I actually thought..as apparently some have misinterpreted my "absence" for something else.

What I think of Steem

Steem to me has always been a way for individuals to take back our biggest form of communication, the thing that holds many of us together - The Internet.

Yes, to me Steem is the basis of Web 3.0.. where individuals and communities have ownership, and the tools they need to build their own economies, social platforms, marketplaces, games, or anything else they can imagine.

Steem to me is removing the middle man

You can see that expressed in my Steem Vision shared last April.

It is the peer to peer revolution of the internet.
It is connecting creators to their audience.
It is connecting businesses to their customers
It is setting a stage for citizen journalists to share what is actually happening, rather than us depending on the narrative the news is shoving down our throats this week.

Steem is taking back the power of the digital world and giving it to the people, that is what it has always been to me.

Steem makes this possible due to the underlying technology that is quite unique to what is currently available. This to me was always the original goal, and you can see so by just reading the white paper or listening to those responsible for building the chain in the first place.

The tech is solving the problems that are standing in the way of Web 3.0 to exist.

It does not happen overnight.. and some things have to be rolled out to even make other things possible, it's a long damn battle.

That is what Steem is for me, and what it will become.. if we don't ruin it first.

Steem is Flawed

Steem is not a ready for the market product in it's current state. It is flawed. AND THAT ISN'T A BAD THING.. the tech takes time to develop and those building are constantly working through challenges that arise due to building something that doesn't exist yet.

There is no users guide.. it is all figure this shit out as we go.

Pinpointing these flaws and improving them is part of getting to the end result.. that is just how this works.

And anyone who is telling you to not point out flaws, saying nothing is wrong, or telling you it is perfect as is .. is blowing smoke up your ass. They probably are quite happy with their rewards, and don't want anyone rocking the boat.

If we can't admit we are flawed,and accept that.. we will never improve and therefore - reach our end goal.

But I also think we could be promoting it as is

No, it is not ready for market.. no it is not complete.. but I find it damn frustrating to see projects that are sooooooo far behind where we are being more "popular" due to them actually understanding marketing and putting it as a priority.

I don't think we need empty shills, or expensive bullshit.. I think we need to be showing people what the hell Steem is and what it can do. What they can build on it, how they can grow their business.. what it damn means longterm.

And I don't think "come here for rewards" should be any part of it.

But my god.. wouldn't it be great to have an intelligent person, who actually understands how it works, out there telling other people? Not just staying in our echo chamber to pat each other on the backs...

This is also a frustration that led me to "opt out" and wait for the future.

Steem is not about rewards

It is about building something bigger in my opinion.. and the focus on rewards is one of the biggest flaws there is in my book.

Way too much focus on doing what one needs to get rewards, wanking the right people to be in the "in" club, only doing things or interacting with people if there is an upvote involved, not questioning specific people due to their public standing.. what kind of a fucked up world are we trying to build here?

Being able to tokenize the web is pretty cool, but that actually means empowering communities to grow and build within themselves (and the tools to do so), giving businesses a way to reward their customers, replacing "points" with "tokens" etc.. but quite frankly I don't think that means a shared rewards pool drained from inflation that is pretty much killing the STEEM price.

We aren't ready to tokenize the web yet

Yeah, we aren't there. BUT WE ARE SO CLOSE! SMTs and Communities are key to this.. not one platform where we all watch the inflation that affects all of us be automatically rewards to shitposts by bots.. that is not, and should not be the end goal, in my humble opinion.

Steem is bigger than blogging to me, it is literally individual freedom of the internet.

Currently we are just playing in the sandbox while the cool shit gets built.. this isn't the end game.

But then why did you leave??

I didn't leave.. calm the fuck down Karen.

I stopped posting, that's it. I still run a damn curation guild, and have been talking with big projects about integrating to Steem. blinks

I stopped posting due to realizing that most of my frustration here was being caused by the damn rewards pool. So I decided to opt out.

I fell out of love with the shared rewards pool
Since the day I got here I have been fighting for valuable content creators to be seen and be rewarded for the value they add.. for us to "showcase the best" in our storefront of a trending page to attract eyes in. This means I was fully aware of what content we had, and what we were rewarding.. and it was annoying.

Then the rewards got even more automated with the fork and it just seemed to get even more meh around here (for me). To me, while I know that "auto votes" are just necessary for many.. they sort of take the whole point of it out for me. No one is reading what they vote.. it's all just bots voting each other in my head. It's just something personally that resulted in a "meh" feeling.

I also realized that the rewards were making this place not very social.. people didn't feel free to post what they wanted, engagement is rough sometimes, it's not "fun" to just "hang out" for one reason or another.. I believe that is just due to everyone being in a big bucket, with no way to find what we like, the people we click with or what we want to see.

This is why I have always been a huge fan of communities .. as they solve this issue.

I simply decided to opt out of some aspects of this place and wait for the solutions that are on the horizon.. as they would fix it. I didn't like who I had become, or being so wrapped up in something I had absolutely no control over. I decided to simply stop fighting it, and wait for the needed improvements.

But then why are you shilling Bitcoin on twitter and not Steem?!?!?

ok.. just wow.. couple things - twitter is a random place to share random thoughts.. and nothing I say there should really count for much... it is just me saying shit and having fun, and I am a terrible shiller if that is the case.. but since we are here, I will try to explain my position-

I am one who believes that Bitcoin and STEEM are two very different things with two very different use cases.

Bitcoin - is a longterm store of value and a widely adopted digital currency

STEEM - is the utility coin that will power web 3.0 built on top of the Steem Blockchain

This is how I see them.. you don't have to agree with me, that is totally ok.. it won't hurt my feelings.

What is with the change in narrative?
I have always spoken on twitter about crypto.. hell I barely even used the thing until recently. Bitcoin has always been part of that, and then sharing about Steem, and whatever else random thoughts crossed my mind.

I stopped sharing about Steem because-

I was being trolled pretty hard here with some pretty vulgar things.. and quite frankly didn't want to send anyone here to see it.
I do not agree with how somethings are being done currently (see above), so because I am a person who is flawed.. and can only speak of what I believe in and not just what people want me to say - I just decided to stop talking about it.. and wait for the solutions to roll out.

I am in watch and wait mode.. I am doing my thing behind the scenes and waiting for the upgrades to roll out that I believe will be pretty important to making Steem what I have always thought it would be.. Web 3.0

Until then I share my random thoughts on twitter occasionally, and am in discord working.. my DM's are always open.

I hope that clears things up for anyone who cares, if you think the above is "anti-Steem" fair enough.. I am not one to try to push what I believe on others.. but maybe there is a possibility that you're just an asshole

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Much Love and Happy New Year!
_{You filthy animals}

#steem #truthtalk #randomthoughts #chillkaren

5 years ago in #freewrite by justineh

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ethereumalist 5 years ago

As I am sure you can tell from my name, yeah, I definitely don't see Steem as a web 3.0, that's Ethereum, possibly Polkadot and Filecoin as well. But Steem is just 21 witnesses that can be voted in or out by a single company. That's not exactly a great foundation for a future decentralized web, not unless Steem changed the design of the witness system to completely rotate the 21 witnesses to a totally different set of 21 nodes. And if soft consensus is how blockchain is going to scale, then might as well do STARK chains off Ethereum I say.

That said, I agree with you on the shared reward pool. It just does not work to have all these people interested in entirely different topics working for the same reward pool. But does SMTs solve this? Maybe, but why does it? Perhaps its the stake oriented voting system that sucks. SP for the sake of RCs makes sense, but SP for the sake of having higher influence in a blockchain sucks. That is the same model that video games do, which ruins the game. It might pay off devs, but any game that gives paying customers god-mode equipment in an item mall destroy the entire game for everyone not buying that stupid item. This concept is not the best way.

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justineh 5 years ago

Well I disagree with that, for a few reasons. The witness positions cannot be controlled by a single entity, and that’s been proved repeatedly. Not that I don’t agree that witness voting could use some improvements, many of which have been discussed recently.

I have nothing against ETH, but I do believe it will need to make improvements to solve the issues of congestion as well as high gas prices that make running many Web 3.0 aspects not feasible longterm. RCs are actually an interesting way to over come those issues specially, and I think that gives Steem a good chance at being a base for the technology.

SMTs would only solve the rewards pool issue if STEEM then is only used as the utility token itself, otherwise they wouldn’t improve at all imo.

Stake weighted voting in essence makes sense - as those who have the most to gain or lose would be the ones to make decisions in the best interest of the platform.. whether that model is working is up for debate, and I can personally see why.

But this may just be one of the many learning lessons of this uncharted area.

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ethereumalist 5 years ago

First, appreciate the reply.

I have nothing against ETH, but I do believe it will need to make improvements to solve the issues of congestion as well as high gas prices that make running many Web 3.0 aspects not feasible longterm. RCs are actually an interesting way to over come those issues specially, and I think that gives Steem a good chance at being a base for the technology.

So it is not my intent here to debate or anything, but I notice that a lot of people on Steem/EOS believe that the "free" transaction thing is more scalable than the fee market system and, I'd like to say why I am confident that is not true.

We can look at how the two systems work:

ETH2 minting/fee system looks like this:
Validators > Users > Validators

Steem minting/fee system looks like this:
Witnesses > Holders > Users > Holders

No one experiences RC scarcity because RCs are extremely cheap, but that's not how it is at the mass adoption stage. The profit holders are hoping to make would be coming from people buying RCs from their RC generating Steem Power. This is a rent-seeking profit model, token holders perpetually earn value without putting new value into the marketplace.

Transacting on Steem only has the feeling of being free because new people are delegated 15 SP for free by Steemit Inc. in hopes that they will buy in later. But long term, Steem transactions are not free at all. Every action that requires RCs is not free at all and would require people to pay something to someone holding SP. It really only appears free because the Steem blockchain is not busy enough for RCs to be expensive.

One way or another you always have to pay for the security. But on Ethereum you only have to pay 1 party, on Steem there are 2 parties that make money off users.

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justineh 5 years ago (edited)

I agree with you to a point, except why RCs are truly “free” is due to the fact that they regenerate, not due to the fact of the initial delegations.

Yes you are absolutely right that the actual cost of each transaction will increase as transactions on the chain do. Meaning when mass adoption levels took place it would cost a lot more RCs to transact than it does now, as you said.

They are free because while I have to have an amount staked to use the chain, I am allocated a certain amount of RCs to use based on the staked amount.. and they regenerate each day.

So yes if I was a person who wanted to build a game let’s say, I may need to invest 100k SP (random number there) to allow my users to transact. But at any time I can power down and remove that 100k SP.. it doesn’t cost me something out of pocket for each transaction. It’s more like a deposit to use the chain, imo.

You’re right, the value comes from RCs needed to use the chain, and you’re right it’s sort of a pay to play model.. difference is you get you money back.. just simply cash it out.

My understanding of ETH is it’s a pay per transaction set up, and it does not regenerate. You pay for each one, out of pocket.

I understand that ETH’s transaction volume is much higher and therefore the cost of transaction is. I just wanted to explain what I meant by “free”, as it wasn’t due to them being cheap (as you are right, that changes with increase of transactions), rather that they actually regenerate so costs nothing out of pocket in the end.

Also, just wanted to be clear - I’m not debating either, or saying which is better.. actually I quite enjoy the conversation, so don’t think you are offending or anything! 🙂

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ethereumalist 5 years ago

I understand how you see the RC system and it is a legitimate viewpoint.

You might have the opinion that it is similar to buying a solar panel for your roof, which then provides access to energy over time. That certainly sounds reasonable. But solar panel businesses seek for supply to match demand, STEEM is not like that.

Here is my concern. The game is not about getting rich by selling everyone 50 SP for sovereign blogging, but about being early so that they can charge people for RC delegation. I believe the RC delegation will cost more than ETH2's fee market because in Steem there is a middle-man (RC delegator) involved.

A self-sovereign blogging platform allowing people to have censorship-resistant free speech is important, so Steem is valuable. But what if the majority of Steem Power ends up in the hands of a small group of entities? If they can choose who gets RCs and who does not, then you have a deplatforming issue all over again.

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steemitqa 5 years ago (edited)

It is about building something bigger in my opinion.. and the focus on rewards is one of the biggest flaws there is in my book.

BINGO!

Way too much focus on doing what one needs to get rewards, wanking the right people to be in the "in" club, only doing things or interacting with people if there is an upvote involved, not questioning specific people due to their public standing.. what kind of a fucked up world are we trying to build here?

You know... I'm going to get some heat for what I'm about to say here ,but what the hell this is Truth talk after all right!? I'm thinking we are kind of new territory when we involved other people from other countries (not isolating any one country) who alignment doesn't match what normal rational business practices ( this is just a cultural thing). You see many cultures don't know or care about long-term innovation/business as much as they do about getting rewarded for their actions and bettering their situation . So you get dev's from other countries who have misaligned goals and not really thinking past what they can get out of the system vs. what is best for the platform. I mean , I'll be fair there as many western country apps on this platform (I think) doing the same ,but it does lean heavy toward European/non-western countries who don't really care about what the potential is. We might be expecting to much general consensus from people who don't know any better, or don't care really what this blockchain do. I could be writing out my thoughts wrong so I might have to revise a million times but whatever. Good post though!

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justineh 5 years ago

It makes sense that when you mix a bunch of different people from different cultures or perhaps just different ways of doing things etc, into one group .. yeah. Things get tricky.. it is crazy to think everyone will agree on something like shared rewards. I think it is just tough, as it truly does affect everyone. So it's not just "oh some people are popular".. like elsewhere on the web.. as the reward is shared inflation.. not just some sort of outside advertisers. Makes it way different than anything we have seen I guess.

I think having communities will help this a bit.. as well as of course SMTs.. then it is not just everyone in one big bucket.

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oldtimer 5 years ago

As long as steem is a reward token nothing will change with communities. On the contrary; it'll get even worse.

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justineh 5 years ago

What if it’s just the utility token and SMTs are rewards?

Curious of your honest thoughts.. as quite frankly I have high hopes for what Steem could be, but if things don’t change in that regard, we won’t get far.

And if the main concern of those running projects on this platform is who can take as much of the inflation as possible, not really sure what the point is.. so in my head having STEEM as utility and SMTs as rewards at least means they can just shit on their own token, and not everyone else’s too.. but I’m not sure what that would look like for STEEM either.

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oldtimer 5 years ago

Steem as dapp blockchain and steem token only as a utility token is the only option. SMT for rewards.
I can easily see this thing working. We're early in the game. You're making mistake not to try to get as many steem as possible. In five years no one will know or care how you got yours. Buy, earn, spam or even steal.
You'll either have them or not.

Oldtimer, Justine, Acidio, Bernie or Ned. We'll all be dust when big boys join the party.
If that ever happens. I definitely count on that but you never know.
Right now I would bet on 60/40.

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justineh 5 years ago

Yes you’re right, and I’m completely aware I don’t play the game well. But quite frankly I don’t want to.. I’ll let the others fight over the inflation and wank each other...

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oldtimer 5 years ago

You said it. It's a game not fight.
I rather upvote shitpost of the person who I know that will power up the rewards than so-called famous censored and demonetized YT crybabies who don't invest a single penny in the platform and immediately cash out the rewards. You're free to call that wanking if you want.
That's my stand, right or wrong.

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chekohler 5 years ago

We all paying the cost of being early and all these awkward teething process aren’t very different from a centralized business and creating something with the help of others!

I still find it more exciting than most of the internet and I go pretty deep in these things since I do make my living online

I think that this was proof of concept and we shouldn’t be tied to it, it’s going to change and evolve in many ways and we will follow the way we like most

I’m also watching and waiting I don’t really worry about the rewards I’m happy to contribute my thoughts and banter every day

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ticopurelife 5 years ago

i agree...being part of it too early means many aspects of the project will be broken, not work very well etc...a level of being tolerable to the tech side of the chain is helpful lol

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justineh 5 years ago

Oh yeah, totally agreed. Also, it isn't just like building a website.. the issues are complex and many times chain level. We as individuals have become so used to having everything right now, that many get frustrated when it doesn't happen.

NOW I do have to say that these things were promised like 2 years ago (communities and SMTs), so I understand the frustration there.. but many times people are raging over small stuff, as they don't understand what is involved. Perhaps that shows our failure to set up a platform that sets realistic expectations and gives users the answers they need etc.

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cryptosharon 5 years ago

So many comments, hard to keep up. Anyway, I'm resteeming this.

I was going to make a post about exactly this topic! and it's exactly what I've been telling people. I did make a tangentially related post where I talked about the fact that people promote Steem by telling people "come here to earn money", but they never say that it's just pennies and you can't live off of it.

I have friends who've come thinking this was some get-rich-quick scheme for blogging and left in disappointment because it was so much work for a little chance of getting curated.

I've taken to promoting Steem recently, but using the "honest" tactic. I was inspired by this post by @paulag where she talks about the fact that we've got a ton of content creators, because that's what it's being promoted for! And we don't have viewers or interaction. It's just post post post, no actual life in most places here. Yeah, featured and popular posts have tons of interaction, but even I, having 1500 followers, only get a comment on my posts every once in a while (mostly I just get bots and spam).

So when I talk about Steem now, I say it's a cool social place where you can come hang out, make friends, be free and uncensored by "Big Media", like you said it is, Web 3.0, the logical no-middle-man evolution of social media. I wish people paid more attention to designing stuff toward that end, but the incentive is in the wrong direction.

Lol, I have so much to say about this, because I've been thinking all that you said for so long, but I hadn't solidified it into a thing yet, but thanks to you I've got many more of my ideas in order about it. I hope I can make a few posts about this and outline some open source marketing plans for the sake and the future of Steem. I still have to think some things through; thanks again for bringing up this topic.

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justineh 5 years ago

Yes that is a great way to share it with people! And I mean, I totally get how rewards are something people want to share with others, but as you said.. they aren't guaranteed and quite frankly this place could be so much more than that.

I will read up on the few posts you linked here and also look forward to your future one sharing your thoughts on it, I would love to hear them!

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stuffbyspencer 5 years ago

calm the fuck down Karen

lol, that actually got a audible chuckle out of me.

I agree with your rationale here, I think Steem is a beautiful flawed beast. I think a lot of these issues can actually be semi-fixed by on-boarding more people ( the rewards pool becomes a whole different kind of beast when 100's of thousands & not just 10's of thousands are dipping their toes into it ).

Here's a interesting question for ya:
How do you feel about getting rid of the rewards pool entirely, and instead relaying on user-given tips ( similar to how the site cent.co does it )?

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justineh 5 years ago

hehe, glad I could make you laugh.. I was trying to bring some humor to this random ass post.

Beautifully flawed beast is a lovely way to describe it actually.. I like that. And yes more users is the solution to many things.. but it still is one big bucket of everyone trying to figure out where the hell they are. I do have big hopes for the upcoming changes though.

Here's a interesting question for ya:
How do you feel about getting rid of the rewards pool entirely, and instead relaying on user-given tips ( similar to how the site cent.co does it )?

This is something that has been brought up a lot and quite frankly I used to hate the idea.. but the more I think about it the less value I see in the rewards pool.

I am just conflicted though as I think having creators being able to own and monetize their work is important.. just I don't think that every damn post necessarily needs to be monetized on the platform.

But how can we build a place where both exist? A fun place to hang out and share.. and then a place where content worth something is rewarded? Tipping is of course a simple thing that could be added in to help with that part too I guess.

Communities with their own SMT's could solve this.. and I think that is the idea.. for them to take the main stage and STEEM sink back to just being a utility coin, one needed to interact on the chain itself.. but I have a hard time visualizing how that goes exactly.

Currently rewards are the only draw we have, if we remove them.. we better replace them with some damn cool to attract and keep people here is what I will say.

I haven't checked out cent.co.. will do so and finish my opinion haha

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stuffbyspencer 5 years ago (edited)

But how can we build a place where both exist?

Just an idea, very rough & maybe not perfect:

New users, under rep 40 or so, are enabled to earn rewards from the pool
Users with rep higher than 40 but less than 60 can earn from the pool, but it is disabled on posts by default (and you'll need to manually check to accept pool earnings)
Users with rep over 60 are banned from the pool, and must rely on tips from their readers
As for comments, maybe they're all enabled for the rewards pool (to help encourage engagement), but their capped at only being able to earn $5 or something like that

This plan, again, is not perfect, but I can see it being an interesting take on the current situation. It allows newcomers time & resources to build up a fanbase, it gives a buffer to people to warn them they're about to lose pool-access & should start thinking about how they are going to remain sustainable in the near future, and it gives whales less influence on the dwindling shared rewards pool, instead shifting their focus on long-term sustainable business models (are you going to include ads in your blogs? start up a dapp business venture? maybe include some sort of STEEM-based paywall for certain content?)

I don't mean to sound egotistically, but I seriously think that this discussion is incredibly worth having. Steem is broken, we shouldn't just sit & whine, we should continue pushing in new changes & hardforks until something "clicks". We're still early enough in the Steem timeline where the method of "throwing shit at the wall & seeing what sticks" is a legit valid option we should be doing.

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galenkp 5 years ago (edited)

Hey Justine, I'm not steem-savvy so rather than embarrass myself trying to pretend that I am I'll just say that I'm flawed also, like every single other human on the planet. It's human nature to be...Some just make the mistake to think otherwise of themselves...And forget that people are.

I'm optimiistic about steem...If I wasn't I wouldn't be here still. It's people like you that make me want to stay.

Sorry, not a very tech-savvy response...But I'm flawed and broken, so the best I got right now..🙂

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justineh 5 years ago

Who needs tech savvy?? I am over here bitching about Karen ffs ;P

Thanks for being you and being apart of this dysfunctional little family of ours <3

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galenkp 5 years ago

Haha, well you're not special you know...We can all bitch and moan...You're bloody good at it though J! I don't know who Karen is, but you did a good job bitching about her.

"Thanks for being me?" Well, someone has to...I'd rather be someone more handsome, intelligent and humorous but I have to leave that to other's I'm afraid... 😝

Thanks for being the perfectly [bitchy] flawed and broken human being that you are too! It's all those things combined that make you unique.

One happy family of nutbags huh?

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justineh 5 years ago

lol so much truth there. And damnit.. the Karen meme hasn't made it to Australia yet??

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galenkp 5 years ago

Nah, we may be ahead in time Justine, but we're slow on the uptake sometimes.

(Cute and loveable though...) 😃

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bluewave93 5 years ago

Hi!
I'm a newbie here. Just registered today. Found out about steem when I was reading about crypto. Total noob on that too!

So many cryptos out there, but steem have a really nice concept that I just can't move on from.

Its like a platform for authors/journalist/experts to publish their findings. That was my first thought when I read about steem.

Still trying to understand how to dive into the community. Really like your pov on steem.

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justineh 5 years ago

Awesome, welcome!! Glad to have you join the community, and you are right.. it really is a bit of hidden gem.

Communities are a bit hard to break into as some of the "chat" happens offchain, in an app called discord.

But, if you havent, feel free to check out Steempeak.com "tribes" as well as the beta communities site https://beta.steemit.com/ to be able to search some of them.

The beta is just a live test version of the upcoming community features. You may have an easier time finding content you like and the people who write it etc.

If you are on discord, or want to join it.. I will gladly get you in touch with a few that way too.. but honestly I think with these new features less and less of that will be happening on discord.

Feel free to ask any questions you have.

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oldtimer 5 years ago

Print out all your keys first!

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limitless.mind 5 years ago

Agree that it may not yet be ready for market but it should be more marketed. I recently came here from Medium, looking for a place to post. I much prefer the decentralized model. I bet other would as well, if they were more aware of Steem.

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justineh 5 years ago

Hey welcome! Glad you made your way over. I agree, I think there is a way to showcase what we have here, even if it's not completely "done" yet.

We will get there, eventually.

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deepwaters 5 years ago

It is setting a stage for citizen journalists to share what is actually happening, rather than us depending on the narrative the news is shoving down our throats this week.

I think this is very important point. Cannot say that I saw this opportunity initially on Steem, although it is a big one. Specially as fake news continue to grow.

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justineh 5 years ago

Oh yeah, to be honest I think social media is quickly replacing news in a way. I mean right now, when an event happens.. I go check twitter for tags, and see what people "on the ground" are saying. Sure that means many opinions could be thrown in, things taken out of context etc.. this way requires taking many sources and trying to find the truth.. but quite frankly the same could be said about news these days as well - as what they choose to report is simply that.. what they choose.

3speak's core vision actually mentioned this.. and I believe still does. Their goal was to empower citizen journalists and give them a place to share that wont be censored etc. With all my frustrations with the way they do things.. I still think that vision is a powerful one, and I hope they continue down that path. As they show tremendous potential as a project in this regard.

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adetorrent 5 years ago

I was being trolled pretty hard here with some pretty vulgar things.. and quite frankly didn't want to send anyone here to see it.

Makes sense. I wouldn't either.

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justineh 5 years ago

Yeah.. I removed all links to my steem account at that point. I can take trolling, and I don't expect everyone to agree with me, welcome discussions and debates etc.. but that shit was just over the top, and there was no way I wanted to invite people to come see it. meh.

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meesterboom 5 years ago

Automation sucks ass, no two ways about it. It is the biggest thing that kills this platform as a content discovery thing.

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justineh 5 years ago

Yeah, it has its benefits .. but it sure seems to be a barrier to a lot of things as well.

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meesterboom 5 years ago

These days I struggle to see the benefits!

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justineh 5 years ago

Agreed

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oldtimer 5 years ago

I have the same issue with curation trails.

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meesterboom 5 years ago

I'm not a big fan of them either, they just over inflate the popularity of a post with zero to do with the content

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oldtimer 5 years ago

New steem at work. Check this guy @ kenanqhd.

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meesterboom 5 years ago

Oh dear. That's a fine example

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niallon11 5 years ago

Have to agree with pretty much all of this post. We're not ready for mainstream yet until we have a simple on boarding, better interfaces and an ease of use that anybody can start and not get lost. I also love STEEM and see the huge potential that it has and to be fair it is improving every year.

People seem to think that everything should be perfect straight away but for any new site or app it takes time and multiple versions to get it right. This is the building phase and it will take time to get it there. The only question is whether people will stick around long enough to see something special getting built. If they weren't so quick to attack others and to leave themselves it would be in a much healthier place as we try to move the chain forward.

Looking forward to an interesting 2020.

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justineh 5 years ago

Yes, I agree with most of that.. there has never been a project that was perfect from day one. I mean look at facebook.. I remember what it looked like when it first started.. and steemit is leaps and bounds ahead of it visually, not even to mention steampeak etc which are even farther.. and that was what.. 10years ago? These things take time and are always evolving.

I will say that I think if we don't start promoting what we do have, and start building that base as well (not to mainstream of course), then we will be left behind.. as someone else will just build something and promote it better.

2020 should be a very interesting year for Steem.. lots of things rolling out that many have been waiting quite awhile for.

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niallon11 5 years ago

I think that this year will be the one where we see if STEEM can make it or not. Not that it has to be perfected this year but if there can be enough changes made to allow people to start using it in larger numbers and put the blocks in place that will push the platform forward in the next years.

If it can't be done in the next two then i see it fading away as better alternatives are brought out. The first two were wasted with empty promises from the development team whereas so much was accomplished this year when people put their minds to it. This is a good launching pad for STEEM and if those blocks are put in place we can start to push the marketing side of it next. For me there is no point in marketing until there is a usable product for everyday people but for an app like @splinterlands who have built the product it's now the time to get it in front of people which they are moving into next. That's the way to do it.

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plaid 5 years ago

I share a lot of your sentiments... I've kind of 'opted out' for now too. I'm still around but just not posting much anymore. I think the whole push to get rewards has led to less real engagement (reading posts) as well as a lot of BS posting. People post daily not because they have anything worth saying or reading, but simply to get their rewards from their circle of upvoters... Time will tell, but hopefully this changes soon and steem can be more than just a 'game' that everyone is playing... :)

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justineh 5 years ago

People post daily not because they have anything worth saying or reading, but simply to get their rewards from their circle of upvoters

Yeah.. I have to agree.

I mean, who can blame them I guess.. but that isn't a social platform and quite frankly it's not very human. We sort of created a very odd place, and just for me personally.. that isn't a social world I want to be in.

Communities, even in beta, seem to be improving that already.. I hope that continues.

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lordbutterfly 5 years ago (edited)

Just because you call something "truth talk" doesnt mean theres any truth to it. If you have something to say, tell it to me directly, not write posts like this to get pats on the back from the community as if that determines if youre right or wrong.

Just because people like you that doesnt make your responses have any more or less validity.

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justineh 5 years ago

Yes, yes.. I know, because you know me more than I know myself. You know what I’m thinking after all!

Fuck off butterfly.. or what did you tell me to say - “Please stop talking to me now”

You don’t know shit.

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lordbutterfly 5 years ago

We argue on the Anti-Vaccination nonsense you posted. You block me there then write 3 tweets in response to what i say.

Now you write a whole post on me calling BS on your vindictive behavior towards 3speak.
Stop baiting and ill stop responding.

Just because you can sell this crap you wrote to a bunch of folks here and convince them, dont mean i buy it. And thats really what matters, isnt it. Getting emotional support from your peers which lifts your self esteem that confirms how you are right because youre incapable of having someone disagree with you and criticize you when you say dumb stuff.

No one criticizes Justine.

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justineh 5 years ago (edited)

Yeah, you really got it all figured out it seems. As clearly I’m not capable of just expressing what I think and all.

The first three sentences were for you and all the other shit bags who can’t fathom anyone saying anything negative against a project 😱

The rest is for people I actually care about here, the community.
As I figured they needed some honest looks of what Steem is and can be, in my opinion at least.. they have smoke blown up their ass by enough people.. oh yeah and then they have the fake “honest” people who scream about whatever nonsense the voices in their head told them.

Someone asked what I thought, and that voice chat turned into this post.

You can criticize me all you want.. but please stop saying you know what I think or twist something to make it fit your agenda.. you can fuck off with that shit.

And yes, clearly my posting is for my much needed self esteem .. it’s why I do it so often after all.

Get a life dude, you are getting weird.

edit

Oh and editing the first comment in a thread after a whole conversation has taken place is pretty much the most ridiculous thing ever.

Just proves the point that talking to you is pointless, all you want is attention.

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lordbutterfly 5 years ago (edited)

As clearly I’m not capable of just expressing what I think and all.

You are. Not in a grown up way, though.

shit bags who can’t fathom anyone saying anything negative against a project..

Did i ever call you a shit bag? How about drop an insult like this? Again, shows whos the grown up here.

As I figured they needed some honest looks of what Steem is and can be, in my opinion at least.. they have smoke blown up their ass by enough people.. oh yeah and then they have the fake “honest” people who scream about whatever nonsense the voices in their head told them.

Yeah well you kinda go into that group as well since you and me both know what you really think. Not what you wrote here...

but please stop saying you know what I think...

I know what you fucking said and its not this shit you wrote here. I busted my ass trying to convince you not to drop Steem when you were absolutely set on doing just that and lookie here, shes up posting again about how "SOME" people are dickheads and how she all of a sudden believes in Steem.
Make up your mind and try to actually be honest.

Get a life dude, you are getting weird.

You get a life and stop fucking baiting when you read something you dont like. I write a few tweets on some random shit and Justine wakes up all of a sudden and now she has a million things to say on Steem after shes been gone for weeks or what ever it was.

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justineh 5 years ago (edited)

😂😂😂 yes butterfly.. everything is about you after all. All my posts! Yes exactly! It’s why I’m here after all! For you!

Look, I have so many messages from you exactly like this and I always say the same thing - you have no idea what you are talking about.

I’ve been nice for almost a year dealing with your weird need to try to tell me what to do, message to tell me what I’m thinking, tell me that you know me so well so of course you are right.. and I’m done being nice.

So now you get - fuck off.

Like really, go fuck yourself. This is really old.

Oh and btw I did try to reach out to you about your dumb ass comments in DM yesterday.. but you have me blocked, I guess cause you’re butthurt about twitter.

So again 🖕🏼

I’m gonna go back to the real world now.. you should try it.

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lordbutterfly 5 years ago (edited)

All my posts! Yes exactly! It’s why I’m here after all!

No, just those two things i just mentioned which is pretty fucking clear from our public convos. What i dont get is why you even try to lie about it. You know that we both know youre full of crap and you know exactly what i meant.

I never understood why people did that. Because its public? Because others wont like you?
I dont remember saying anything ever behind the scene that i wasnt more then willing to say in public.

I’m gonna go back to the real world now.. you should try it.

Its going to do you good to join us here IRL. This curation initiative, that curation initiative, this community, that community, Foundation, crypto conventions, this slack, that slack, now bitcoin and twitter.
Take a break Justine from the virtual...
Birds and bees and pretty meadows.

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justineh 5 years ago

I’m confused what you think you read.. and maybe think you should stop projecting so much.

As I said, in that post up there, I believe in the tech of Steem.. and the original goal, and don’t agree with a lot that is happening currently. I believe I said up there “this is what it could be, if we don’t ruin it first”.

This isn’t a “yay Steem“ post, it’s an honest look of what I think Steem could be.

As I told you elsewhere.. which I think is what you are referring to (and somehow trying to twist into a lie on my part) is that I don’t like what our “leadership” is doing.. whether you want to call that stake holders, witnesses, random faces or Steemit inc.. I don’t like the focus.

I don’t like the focus on sucking as much inflation as possible from “projects built on Steem”.. as I don’t see how that is helping anything longterm.

I don’t like the wank club, I don’t like the auto votes and pretty much the loss of any sort of fun social action.. all of which I said in the above post.

The only thing I didn’t mention, was that if Tron bought Steemit.. therefore meaning that Justin Sun was the new largest stake holder.. I would be cashing out and leaving.

That still stands btw, just didn’t really see how that fit into this post tbh.

So I’m not entirely sure what lies you are speaking of.. I think maybe you should read posts all the way through before raging and perhaps not be so emotionally attached to trying to force people to see the world the way you do.. it’s just not gonna happen.

As I said, in that post up there, I don’t like a lot of what is happening currently.. so I’m opting out of some aspects and just stepping out of the way.

Not sure what else you want from me 🤷‍♀️ I’m trying to be completely honest here.

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lordbutterfly 5 years ago

Stop baiting... Bye

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skramatters 5 years ago

Also this post needs images!! Whippin up confections ain't got no time for reading sections.. A picture paints a 1000 words can I get a goat in your next reflections?

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justineh 5 years ago (edited)

Ah shit.. didn’t even put a thumbnail 😂 I’m such an amateur!

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chekohler 5 years ago

Ooh my boy is looking clean cut in the kitchen seems like your assimilating well back home!

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justineh 5 years ago

Ok fixed.. real hard to find a relevant picture for whatever this is 🤷‍♀️

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skramatters 5 years ago

I love it! You nailed it!

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justineh 5 years ago

Stop trying to pump my already enlarged Ego dude.. FFs 🤪

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justineh 5 years ago

Yes I will include a goat next time.. now get back in the kitchen and make me some cookies.

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coininstant 5 years ago

Why don't you make user guide? Glad you're shilling Bitcoin!! Bitcoin Rules!!

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cyberblock 5 years ago

Who is this justineh? She's such a beauty! :)

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justineh 5 years ago

hey thanks :) .. I am just the crazy aunt they keep locked out back.

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steemitboard 5 years ago

@justineh, sorry to see you have less Steem Power.
Your level lowered and you are now a Minnow!

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skramatters 5 years ago (edited)

FFS Karen! But fr fr !! church! I echo many if not all your sentiments.. For me the automated steem just is not worth me putting any time into.. It's funny though bc when I first started I'd never get rewarded for posts that I put quite a bit of spirit into, but now that I do get decent rewards I can't be bothered to put any effort into my steem. I got my dirty dozen or so folks that I like to engage with, but otherwise, just as in the beginning I'm not motivated by rewards. I was considering taking some free time here to actually write something potentially meaningful or worthy of some attention but I saw your post first and im satisfied knowing that you are asking to see the manager or womanagers..

I am also not going anywhere but I can't be getting sucked into steem.. It's a cool concept. The level of devotion I see in others here I can't really relate to but whatever floats boats n strokes the different folks..

2020 woot

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justineh 5 years ago

KAAARREENNNNN... man I am not sure why the Karen thing is so funny to me, and I am pretty sure it always will be lol.

Glad I could just take care of it all for you.. leave it to the karens.. you are in good hands.

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ammonite 5 years ago

We said. I am also very excited about the possibilities of Steem and can't wait till the things to make it realise it's potential are running. The Tribes gave me great encouragement and hopefully the SMTs and Communities will help it move into the fast lane. Steem is the medium but for now unfortunately it is still the subject.

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justineh 5 years ago

I agree, I think tribes really showed us what was possible and now seeing communities on the beta site is making it all come to life.

I think that is the barrier we definitely needed to overcome to take the next big steps, as we need a bit more customization and help for users to find their people in a way..as that is what social is all about.

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belemo 5 years ago

I see the post you made about Dtube and 3speak earlier really fucked with people; great job 😂

I don't get why people get mad though; its different strokes for different folks. I read your post and understood your message but fuck it, I'll still shill the fuck out of steem, surreptitiously of course. With some light circle jerking on Twatter and normal engagement, you can promote steem without seeming like an annoying bot.

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justineh 5 years ago

I am all about people shilling Steem and sharing the love, and damn right you should keep doing it. I simply just was a bit fed up with the constant misconception expressed about what we actually had here.. and after bringing up so many things, so many times.. I figured I would just put it out there so at least users know.. as the information available was confusing.

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chrisaiki 5 years ago

wouldn't it be great to have an intelligent person, who actually understands how it works, out there telling other people?

I thought it was you !
I am going to Yup this post.

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justineh 5 years ago

That's kind, thank you very much!

I don't honestly think I am a good person to represent this place tbh.. I don't really paint a great picture, for lack of a better analogy.

My personal vote is @roadscape :) but we will have to get him to come out of his shell a bit for that haha.

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stackin 5 years ago (edited)

I love it how you "trigger" peoples emotions. 😅😂

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justineh 5 years ago

I read a comment that stated they were actually upset by what I was thinking.. not what I said.

As while I didn't say it.. they KNEW I was thinking it.

Yeah.. I just have decided to not touch that shit anymore even with a 10ft pole. I get I am too harsh and don't play nice.. never claimed anything different, but some of this stuff is just absurd.

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carlgnash 5 years ago

hmmm were you thinking what I think you were thinking?!? Oh damn. That is some SHIT. I can't believe you were thinking that ;)

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justineh 5 years ago (edited)

Some sort of weird minority report shit happening around here it seems 😄

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darrenfj 5 years ago

You gotta do what you gotta do, and opting out is sometimes the braver way to keep your integrity and not getting caught in the drama.

Brave, and I applaud you for it!

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justineh 5 years ago

Thanks! Honestly a lot was also acknowledging that perhaps I am wrong.. and if the current is going one direction.. and I am just sitting there fighting it.. maybe I am just in the wrong place, or should just let it do what it wants. Stepping away sometimes is the right answer.

Just wanted to clarify where I was, and what I actually thought, as with my post discussing decentralization .. many were taking the opportunity to twist it into something else.

Thanks for understanding.

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edouard 5 years ago

To be honest, it does feel like the tap should be turned off for a year or 2 but that's not gonna happen.

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edouard 5 years ago (edited)

For example, you could say SBD went crazy in 2017 just because that's how things were back then or you could say, short of having a better understood store of value component where is this blockchain even going?

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samuel-swinton 5 years ago

I respect the "wait and see" mentally for Steem. I don't think blind optimism is useful in intelligent investing.

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bil.prag 5 years ago

wanted to write something smart, but i have nothing smart to say.

o and people are offended way to easy this days...

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justineh 5 years ago

haha, no need to say anything smart! I just wanted to share my thoughts on Steem in a honest to the core way.

Thanks for adding such beauty to the community through your works <3

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steemitboard 5 years ago

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cryptosharon 5 years ago

In order to have a left arm on ¯_(ツ)_/¯ you need to use triple \, like this: ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯.

\ by default tells markdown to not turn _ into italics, so it displays _, but not \.
In \\, the first \ tells markdown that the second \ is not interacting with _ but is a standalone thing. However, markdown now thinks that _ is italics.
That's what the third \ is for. First \ allows second \, and the third \ allows _.

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justineh 5 years ago

damn.. look at you! I didn't even realized it had messed up, thanks so much for the tip!

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stimp1024 5 years ago

I need to get my eyes checked, I thought it was sh*t in a cup is what you thought of Steem.

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crypto.piotr 5 years ago

Hi @stimp1024

I've noticed that we're both playing holybread and it seem that you were on my way :) (I play as @project.hope)

Hope you're enjoying playing holybread. I found this game quite entertaining. Perhaps it will get boring soon, but right now it's still loads of fun :)

What's your impression so far?

ps. your latest post is quite old. hope you didn't give up on steemit just yet?

Yours,
Piotr

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steemfreek 5 years ago

Great post!

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phgnomo 5 years ago

Ok, so this is the first of your posts I read around here. And... It's spot on.

I have been in and out of steem for like a year. I use it for a while, then get a bit disgusted about a big part of the community, leave, then come back to see if things improved.

Steem is a nice thing. The whole idea behind it is amazing, it's well implemented (most of it), and it kind of work.

But the community is weird.

Specially when you write something that goes against the whales opinions.

I am not sure if @haejin vs @berniesanders had an influence, but most of the time, people are too much worried about the rewards than how to make the platform be more accepted.

Anyway, you got a follower...

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jeff-kubitz 5 years ago

Okay, so we will have a society without rewards for anybody who does anything special, you know like fights to save the universe or identifies the latest, greatest nemesis used to destroy the world and turn all into the infinite void of chaos because they are morons. Meanwhile everyone else at the top gets rewards and jets about superiorly over the heads of we phlebes(unrewarded slaves). Or others just kick back while others do all the work. Ho hum.

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justineh 5 years ago

Yeah.. that’s exactly what I said... clearly

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magicmonk 5 years ago

I love your writing! thank you for sharing your thoughts. they are very eye opening.

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justineh 5 years ago

Ah thanks. These are just my personal opinions and how I’ve always seen the platform.

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crypto-34 5 years ago

How long has steem been around for? a couple of years now and people still think this is going to be web 3.0 or whatever people call it these days.
I think the idea around it is reasonable but I don't think this will last long term and will probably be replaced by somthing better, social media itself causes a lot of noise that mostly isn't useful.
I think we are just going to have to wait and see what people create.

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novacadian 5 years ago

You have always seemed to me to be one giving a hell of a lot of themselves to this project. If you were a witness you would have my vote.

Hope you are enjoying your hiatus and wishing you a happy and prosperous 2020, @justineh! ✌️

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justineh 5 years ago

❤️ thank you, and to you as well!

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soundwavesphoton 5 years ago

Steem is dead. Also who is karen?

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jaki01 5 years ago

I like most of your thoughts in this post.

I also still think a post should be upvoted because the reader (yes, some people really read) likes it and not because the author is on any whitelist, because he made a twitter comment on what he wrote on STEEM or because he upvoted or otherwise pleased any 'important' people.

And true, automated voting even increased after the hardfork, also because of the new short curation window which doesn't allow to really read a post in case one wants to upvote fast enough.
I don't auto vote, and as I also don't like to further reward all the fast non-reading auto voters with my late upvotes, I decided to upvote comments instead of the main articles (at least in case the article's potential reward is already higher than about five dollars). :)

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pwny 5 years ago

Steemprojects.com

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worldclassplayer 5 years ago

Nicely said all round, enjoyed reading you.

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tts (1) 5 years ago

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