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notconvinced in #hardfork • 5 years ago (edited)

Do you remember our conversation last year in May (way before HF20) where I explained why I was leaving? I saw this type of thing coming and assure you that I take no pleasure in being correct, but this is just another example that shows I'm pretty good at reading between the lines.

My main point last year was that Steem is actually a Centralized Oligarchy modelled after the failed, nonrepresentative American Political System and would not be sustainable calling itself Decentralized.

Ned has pretty much retained full control over it's progress and as @crimsonclad mentioned in your last post on the topic that she may vote yes in HF21 to retain some of her big votes...

How is that Decentralized?

5 years ago in #hardfork by notconvinced

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jackmiller 5 years ago

Well, Crimi has to date been active in lots of communities, mostly in one, but definitely "everywhere she can jump in and be of some assistance" (quoting myself there from a conversation about her and Jeff)

She is somewhat blunt at times, but has a heart of gold when it comes to communicating with people and she has never to date from what I know, in any way done anything to harm anyone.

So yeah, Crimi said it as it is. Nothing wrong with that. I fully support it, no matter how anyone wants to read it.

PS. While Crimi and Jeff were investing their hard earned fiat into Steem, they were nowhere near the top20 and since they have made it up there, I don't recall anything being done without her trying to do her best to communicate about it. Likewise, all I see is them putting in even more time and money, probably some from the earnings made as a top20, but definitely more than that most of the time. What they do for PAL and for Steemchat along with all the other things they support and pitch into IS NOT CHEAP!

Her and I may not necessarily agree on "everything" but hell, I swear, when I see anything about that team, Crimi and Jef, I usually walk away from the computer, because if I don't, then this type of comment is written and it gets read the wrong way as everyone is way toooo emotional about BS out there.

NHF man, just had to say my piece on this.

Cheers.

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crimsonclad 5 years ago

I completely love that you took the time to make this comment, because you didn't have to and the time and the appreciation is love. I saw the mention above and didn't even bother responding to it because my words are in publicly searchable discords and on the blockchain and the statement is absurdist. However, you too took it at face value, so on that front I agree that I'll have to continue communicating to make sure people speaking louder than me don't result in speaking for me. You can follow the full discussion from here.

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jackmiller 5 years ago

So what you said was 'misinterpreted'.

Easy for anyone to do when temperatures are hotter than hell.

I responded as soon as I read it and no matter how anyone reads what you say, you say it as you see it and you can only be responsible for what you say not what others understand.

PS. Just came back to the computer, had to step away after that comment.

Cheers.

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crimsonclad 5 years ago

It's fair. He has the belief that I feel a certain way, and I have agreed below that through that lens my words earlier weren't clear enough. I've marked a small edit simply because everyone is heated (please be careful not to suggest he is emotional, though!) but still am happily convinced that the things I say publicly are the "source" and anyone can get out there and research them. I'm having a bit of a day myself, lol.

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followbtcnews 5 years ago

Please don't make false statements. Where did crimosnclad say she would vote yes to retain large votes? I guarantee you she has never said that as she is the exact opposite and works very hard to represent every single person on this blockchain big or small

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notconvinced 5 years ago (edited)

Right here," I can't tell you what you want to hear to try to play all sides and sway the voice of the people as a Robin Hood figure- which is that without a doubt I will vote no. _I can't tell you that I will without a doubt vote yes, to try to "keep some big votes"* because the entity that many believe is slipping dollar bills in my pocket quite frankly knows nothing about my existence other than that I and my partner are great witnesses and heavily contribute to the security of the Steem blockchain (and maybe not even that ¯(ツ)/¯ "

You might want to follow your own advice. She doesnt assure us either way...and may do so? She didn't say that wouldn't be the case.

It's the 9th paragraph on her first reply on this post- https://steemit.com/hardfork/@dreemsteem/now-you-can-see-the-numbers#@crimsonclad/pttfbj

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crimsonclad 5 years ago

I actually agree with you on this one simply by dint of the fact that you've been hoping to find a quote that illustrates what you believe I think versus what I do. Rereading where I present why I will not vote no OR yes to satisfy ANYONE by juxtaposing two opposing statements, I can see where someone who believes that I am "Pro EIP" could read this in the way you have. Since I've clearly stated I am not and the context of the comment and all other stances I've ever taken support that, I'll happily edit this statement to be a little bit more clear so that those who are having trouble following are more readily able to understand.

I can't tell you what you want to hear to try to play all sides and sway the voice of the people as a Robin Hood figure- which is that without a doubt I will vote no. I can't tell you that I will without a doubt vote yes, even [<-edit] to try to "keep some big votes"...[<-edit] because the entity that many believe is slipping dollar bills in my pocket quite frankly knows nothing about my existence other than that I and my partner are great witnesses and heavily contribute to the security of the Steem blockchain (and maybe not even that ¯(ツ)/¯ )

I don't promise to vote either way to make anyone happy, and frankly this is more an acknowledgement that no matter what I do for my own beliefs people will be pissed. 😂 I then go on to say that that's all moot because the testnet has been broken for a week and if I can't run this code prior then it's a default no anyways.

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notconvinced 5 years ago

You've been clear by saying you " are for it, but not now..."

As for trying to understand your point, other than above, you have gone back and forth so often in your comments, it's impossible to hold you down to a specific.

The problem is that your lengthy comments are filled with more filler than substance, which opens you up to misunderstandings, because of the fluff AND the higher likelyhood of ill wording or type-o's.

In the end, I'm not huge Steemit supporter and really don't care, but do like to be informed and call out inconsistencies where I see them.

There has been no shortage of inconsistencies on this topic across the board, including from you.

Except in @dreemsteem's message, which is backed up better than anyone's statement for these upgrades.

I think it's time to listen to the little guy, because the 'fixes' from the big guys from the last 18 month's have not worked and it's pretty clear to me, just using common sense, this won't either.

I was coming back to Steemit after leaving for 14 month's, but that probably won't happen now. Now multiply my choice by an exponential factor. Redfish are the majority and the bottom line is, this won't benefit us at all...Hurt the majority and your platform will only be left with the minority.

That math doesn't equal success.

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dreemsteem 5 years ago

I know what you said. LOL but i still have hope. call me idealistic, but damnit!!! LOL i don't want my home to burn.

since you've left -ned is no longer at the helm.

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notconvinced 5 years ago

Lol, I think it's time for you to check out a few vacation Villa's...

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dreemsteem 5 years ago

it would be so nice to not have to.

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saffisara 5 years ago

And THATS exactly how I feel 😊 this is my home and you guys make my days. I belive in hope and I know that together we can change things... With heart.. Not power.
First step to MAKE a change is to BE The change!
Do things differently... Opposite of what we know doesnt work ❤️

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dreemsteem 5 years ago

I hope that they will change. I fear that money is the thing that speaks the loudest :(

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saffisara 5 years ago

Its enogh of that in The world and if this place becomes like that... Then I still have a home... @thealliace and you guys that has become my family and changed my life. Look at how much we have grown together and are a tight community.... Without you guys I might loose hope but you give hope.
That is a force that cant be broken if we Stay United. 🤗❤️🤗

I really hope this turn out for the best for us all and that one voice is worth listning to and can make a difference❤️

I love You Leah soo much 😘 you are one of The most amazing warm hearted persons I ever known, and brings so much smiles and joy to sooo many People.... ME INCLUDED!
You make my life so much richer in more ways than you realize 🤗😘😍💞

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dreemsteem 5 years ago

hehehehe you know how much i love these images!!!

we are beyond steemit :) we are true friends outside the chain

for that - i'll always be grateful!

i love you Sara

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saffisara 5 years ago

YES WE ARE ❤️
True friends and nothing can break us apart.
We are forever connected and Im blessed having you in my life. I looove that. 💞

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saffisara 5 years ago

I like you have The same spirit, always belived in good and never loose The hope... Optimist and seing a Light in all darkness. I still have hope but it breaks my heart to se The People I love hurtig and loose hope... I wish I could HUG YOU guys and ease things.
Just know... You NEVER ALONE! ❤️

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dreemsteem 5 years ago

never alone <3

not with my Sass right here! hehehehehe

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saffisara 5 years ago

True dat 😉❤️ I am right behind you always my sweet Leah 😘 and beside you and wherever you want me to be... Lol

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