I feel similar about the Hive name and made a post about it and went on their discord to discuss and it seems they decided without us in secret.
We could campaign to have it changed in the future, but, that has potential problems and drawbacks as well. Pretty frustrating to me as someone who loves language and decentralization so much...
Basically, yes. I don't mind that developers go off and fork in private, but when the response to feedback on a pretty serious aspect of the process is "don't be so negative", "you are complaining just for the sake of complaining" and "the name is meaningless" - I feel pretty sad for the state of the 'community' and it's voices. It's particularly frustrating to be met with a wall of obvious unconsciousness and denial in the form of people claiming that someone with input is being 'negative' just for dissenting when it is obviously them who is negatively rejecting other voices.
I am not interested in begging and pleading with anyone for any reason. People make their choices and get their result.
Agreed. I think anyone should be able to fork and do their own thing, however, when they tout community as their main strength and then leave the broader community out of such important decisions and decide in a secret sort of way like that just feels a bit off.
And yeah... I was being told similar things as you, and I was being totally peaceful and calm an d respectful and they were saying similar stuff. Very strange energy indeed. Felt like they just want their project and don't want any criticism.
Well said at the end there. I concur and I'm glad to see I wasn't alone in my sentiments about trying to suggest an alternative name. I think this could have been so much more amazing if we had a name more in line with freedom, or love or life or so many other things besides "Hive".
shrug oh well.
Yes, absolutely. I think part of the issue is that they want to get it all done at high speed and the name has been decided as being a low priority and something that people can argue over for days. I do get where they are coming from to some extent, it's just a problem for me that marketing strategy is being over simplified. On top of the name issue there's also the reality that over-centralisation, ignoring the community and poor marketing are precisely the main problems that we all hated about steemit inc. and yet here were are facing essentially the same thing from day one from the community themselves. history repeats when lessons are not being learned.
Yeah, I think so too... And I can also get where they are coming from to an extent. But, I also highly agree with everything else you said, well said.
That's exactly how I've been feeling, and it's almost like it's a little worse in some ways because at least we would sort of expect this kind of behavior from steemit inc or Justin, but, our own community who I thought were suppose to be significantly anarchist/libertarian?
I thought this place was much more focused on individual freedom and when they picked a name like Hive which to me more often means the opposite of that and then they did it in secret and passed it sort of like the Patriot Act and then in their official blog post mentioned they weren't going to airdrop some people based on their political position and what they said about centralization, it's just like... Wow... What happened? I thought we were on a similar page and now they're doing some really sketchy questionable stuff all of a sudden... I hope things calm down in time, yet, either way this is now history and this new chain was birthed in secret by a smaller centralized group instead of out in the open by the broader community... :\
It's not the best start, I agree. A few people in the Hive discord stated that they are not anarchists in any sense - so it seems that may be part of the issue. There will probably always be people who actually do value liberty who will be willing to continue Steem's codebase on - however, as many people have stated (including me) 'anarcho capitalism is not anarchy' and for me, this just reinforces the reality here.