RE: Introduceyourself. @thesteemadvocate Real life stories of a lawyer inquiring about the human condition. (ENG)

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RE: Introduceyourself. @thesteemadvocate Real life stories of a lawyer inquiring about the human condition. (ENG)

freebornangel in #introduceyourself • 6 years ago

Ok, then if I come to your house and clean up the yard, you have to pay me what I want?

It's ok for you to justify forcing your contract onto me because you build roads, but I don't get to force my contract on you?

I have no choice, nor control, over what other people do.
If you want to force me not to use your road, then I guess you can, but expect me to get my freedom to travel in another way while your guard dogs are on a break.

Face it, all you have is the violent domination of whatever geographic area you claim, as long as your thugs maintain your supremacy over the area it will go well for you, but when the sleeple wake up from their stupor it is unlikely that they won't be upset with you.

We are not your cattle.
Stop forcing your contracts onto others, eh?

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thesteemadvocate 6 years ago

Well, actually you could get paid for cleaning my yard without my permission, it's called illicit enrichment (at least in my country) i can't get an advantage from nowhere, if you made me richer by cleaning my yard then you have a right to get paid. Modern societies are built on civil, liberal, individual rights, so the civil law is pretty much an expression of freedom, there are some rules to prevent abuses but western democracy is quite freedom friendly... you might not like a certain law or disposition and that's ok, and when freedom is granted then inequality appears and that's why technocrats and lawyers get uneven pass... and that's not ok... i mean the real problem is the economic consequences of a liberal state, because it creates inequalities and that means suffering but when it comes to rights and a society model i think that you can exercise an almost plentiful freedom in a western democratic modern state, even more than what you could actually enjoy in a free anarchic society, which looks great in theory but it would only be possible for small number of well educated intellectuals that could get along without law enforcement... but i just don't think we have what it takes to abandon authority yet... Borges used to say: "i hope a day comes when men don't need governments" and i don't think that time came yet, we're still apes in fancy clothes.

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freebornangel 6 years ago

Free your mind.
Stop with the koolaid.

https://cloudfront.crimethinc.com/assets/books/from-democracy-to-freedom/from-democracy-to-freedom_screen_single_page_view.pdf

if you made me richer by cleaning my yard then you have a right to get paid.

Something doesn't sound right about that.
IF this was the case I could just go down the block cutting yards and they would all have to pay me.

Contracts take willing, fully informed parties, that exchange things of value.

I'm not buying that I can mow your yard and force you to pay me, without an agreement from you.

Modern societies are built on civil, liberal, individual rights, so the civil law is pretty much an expression of freedom,

I literally laughed.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon

i mean the real problem is the economic consequences of a liberal state,

Can you show me a crapitalistic state that doesn't make their poor do the dirty work?
No millionaires in the mines.

but i just don't think we have what it takes to abandon authority yet...

Of course you don't, you know which side of the bread gets the butter.

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thesteemadvocate 6 years ago

Saying that something just doesn't sound right is not an argument it's a fallacy. And i agree with you modern state create poor people. But a good macroeconomic system can change that, and that's only possible through regulation.

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freebornangel 6 years ago

Lol, you think more rule by force is the answer?
Seriously?

Here is a link to the laws of 'my' state, if you can show me that unjust enrichment law I might just start mowing the park across the street and filing claims with the city.

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thesteemadvocate 6 years ago

Well... Actually this works between private individuals the public domain usually has a different regulation... But lets say your neighbor has a landfill full of weeds if you clean that even without permission then you have the right to get paid the amount in which that person's patrimony increased.

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freebornangel 6 years ago

So, if I build a nice wall around my neighbor's front yard, he has to pay me?
His dog craps in my rose bushes.

If you can show me the statute, I'd appreciate that.
I presume the limits on small claims court would set the venue?

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thesteemadvocate 6 years ago

Tell me which country I'll find
it

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freebornangel 6 years ago

http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/index.asp?ftdb=STOKST&level=1

A link to this state's statutes.

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