RE: Introduceyourself. @thesteemadvocate Real life stories of a lawyer inquiring about the human condition. (ENG)

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RE: Introduceyourself. @thesteemadvocate Real life stories of a lawyer inquiring about the human condition. (ENG)

thesteemadvocate in #introduceyourself • 6 years ago

If i sue you i would just have to probe that you're currently stepping the same soil as i am then the laws that apply to me will also apply to you, that's called territorial effectiveness of the law ( it will apply to every person within the political limits of the territory where the power of the legislators that pass the law extends) you can always defend yourself giving a razonable argument, if you think laws are being pass irregularly the you can attack the law for being unconstitutional.

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freebornangel 6 years ago

That presumes the legitimacy of the group making the laws.

If I have no inherent right to control you, you have no inherent right to control me, and we have no inherent right to control them, nor them us.
We, nor they, can not legitimately gang up and give ourselves power none of the individuals have.

Do you have any facts to support the legitimacy of your position as to how occupying an area near to you some how makes me your property to dispose of at will?

Where do I become a knowing, fully informed, willing party to this contract you are trying to force upon me?

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thesteemadvocate 6 years ago

We are not talking about inherent rights, we are talking about a social organization which require that you submit part of your rights so that the organization can work. Your statement is a criticism of the idea of a social contract and it's fine but then you should explain or show that you dont get any advantage of beign part of the social contract, you're using the internet i bet you that wouldn't exist without rules and state organizations. I

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freebornangel 6 years ago

Ok, then if I come to your house and clean up the yard, you have to pay me what I want?

It's ok for you to justify forcing your contract onto me because you build roads, but I don't get to force my contract on you?

I have no choice, nor control, over what other people do.
If you want to force me not to use your road, then I guess you can, but expect me to get my freedom to travel in another way while your guard dogs are on a break.

Face it, all you have is the violent domination of whatever geographic area you claim, as long as your thugs maintain your supremacy over the area it will go well for you, but when the sleeple wake up from their stupor it is unlikely that they won't be upset with you.

We are not your cattle.
Stop forcing your contracts onto others, eh?

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thesteemadvocate 6 years ago

Well, actually you could get paid for cleaning my yard without my permission, it's called illicit enrichment (at least in my country) i can't get an advantage from nowhere, if you made me richer by cleaning my yard then you have a right to get paid. Modern societies are built on civil, liberal, individual rights, so the civil law is pretty much an expression of freedom, there are some rules to prevent abuses but western democracy is quite freedom friendly... you might not like a certain law or disposition and that's ok, and when freedom is granted then inequality appears and that's why technocrats and lawyers get uneven pass... and that's not ok... i mean the real problem is the economic consequences of a liberal state, because it creates inequalities and that means suffering but when it comes to rights and a society model i think that you can exercise an almost plentiful freedom in a western democratic modern state, even more than what you could actually enjoy in a free anarchic society, which looks great in theory but it would only be possible for small number of well educated intellectuals that could get along without law enforcement... but i just don't think we have what it takes to abandon authority yet... Borges used to say: "i hope a day comes when men don't need governments" and i don't think that time came yet, we're still apes in fancy clothes.

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