RE: Love that is True Is Perfect

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RE: Love that is True Is Perfect

captaintj in #partiko • 5 years ago

Many people would agree with you when you say: Hitler had no love but fear, he did not work to build but destroy, he did not speak to educate but to convince. (Myself included!)

But that is the problem with the teaching that revivalism is acceptable, although Hitler had a very messed up mindset...the man did follow the advice that you gave (although not from many peoples perspectives) However Hitler was entitled to an opinion and in his opinion I am sure that he felt that he was dealing with people based on love and not fear.

This conversation is proof that we cannot allow mankind to write his/her own rule book, and that is why we must live our lives according to the WORD of GOD.

5 years ago in #partiko by captaintj

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quantumdeveloper 5 years ago

Assuming there was a god, how could differentiate if some old book contains the word of god or if it is just another book written by humans?

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captaintj 5 years ago

I know that the common thought is that all of us are free to choose to decide if we will serve a god or not...but that is not true. An ant might say that it believes that there is no god or gods, but to the ant am I not like a demi god (I am not claiming divinity) I am just trying to point out that you are already serving a god or group of gods. Try this on, who is the biggest badest person that you know? Is it Frank, or Jim...maby your sophicated and say it is some govermental system, but did'nt you just tell me who you thought god (or gods) were? I would like to invite you to listen to the following song

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quantumdeveloper 5 years ago

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the question I asked.

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captaintj 5 years ago

You asked
-how could (you) differentiate if some old book contains the word of god or if it is just another book written by humans?-

So I sent you a song that shows people that they already do 'serve somebody'

I was polietly saying to you that you have already made a decision, so what you should have asked is '-how do I know if the god that I am currently serving is the true god, or do you (me) think that you should start believing writtings that tell us an incredible story about GOD-"

To the question that you should have asked I would say that the Roman goverment thought that the GOD (of thoes writtings) was such a credible threat that they crusified GOD, and then they sealed the tomb and posted soliders at the tomb.

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quantumdeveloper 5 years ago

Yeah I serve somebody, but that isn't equivalent to saying that I'm serving a god(at least not the way I would define god).

And the roman didn't kill god. They killed jesus, some normal guy who managed to create a big audience. Big enough to pose a threat for the roman culture.
By that time the writings about jesus didn't exist.
The new testament was actually written over a century after his death, and most likely parts were adapted to fit the spiritual needs of the audience.

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captaintj 5 years ago

I thought you said that you did not believe in 'a god'...but now you are an expert on who GOD is, your story sounds like you have been trained by the democrats in congress.

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quantumdeveloper 5 years ago

Actually I'm just someone who knows how to read wikipedia.

You might argue that wikipedia might have been manipulated or whatever, but I can assure you that the chance of someone manipulating wikipedia is much less likely than someone manipulating what stands in a book which is over thousand years old and didn't even got translated in modern languages until 500 years ago.

By the way there are more than just historical things that don't fit:
For example in the ten commandments you are told not to kill, but in other passages of the bible you are told to kill:
“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

I think that no almighty god would happen to have simple logical errors like this in his/her/its book.

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captaintj 5 years ago

I know a girl that used to claim that she was an agnostic (which means that she does not know if god does or does not exist) So I was a little suprised when the girl became short with me when I would speak of how JESUS is the CHRIST. At that point Is started to realize that a small number of people were actually ignorant that god exists, instead I feel that many people use ignorance as an excuse. What I mean is that christianity (following after the model of JESUS) is anti-selfishness, not all church-goers follow what is in the Bible. But if a person desires to follow after the teachings of JESUS that person is required to put there desires on the back shelf (by the way I like to think that I try to show others Love, but I must continuely deny my natural feelings.

The truth is that most non-christians say that they do not know (that there is a god) but the realiety is that most people do not want there to be a god, because that would mean that there is some sort of a code to live by. So I smile at the fact that you did some research about JESUS. (As a side note I want to tell you that The GOD of the Bible says that
-If you look for me wholeheartedly, you will find me.- (Jeremiah 29:13)
What I am worried about is the fact that 'we humans' have a decietfut and wicked heart so I am concerned that you will be decieved into thinking that you are diligently searching.
Its true that for thousands of years the Bible was not yet translated into English. The first partial translation into English would have been with Wiliam Tynsdale (not the King James) I have respect for Tynsdale because the man was driven with a passion that turned him into an outlaw https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/store/dvd/4737d/gods-outlaw-the-story-of-william-tyndale (I again smile because I have requested information about Tynsdale for christmas)
The Bible is completely flawless, but what is not flawless are the translations. The Bible was origionaly written in 3 languages (mainly two) It would be like saying that the first part of the U.S. constitution was written in the Hebrew language, and the second part was written in the Greek language. (Right now I am forgeting the exact number, but the Bible was written over the time span of like 1,500 years. I am also forgetin right now the number of authors of the Bible (There was only one AUTHOR that was GOD, but GOD inspiered like 57 diffrent people to dictate the Bible) Most of these people were not well know to each other (that is to say that the Bible was not written in a certain monistery) I do not know as much about Hebrew Language (but the words need to be read from right to left) But a more accurate way to translate what is said in the 10 commandments is 'thou shall not murder' which as you pointed out is quite diffrent than 'excuting' someone.
I feel that I am a little more equiped to talk about the Greek language, and the origional Greek writtings looked like this. -ALLOFTHELETTERSWEREPUSHEDTOGETHERWITHAHAIRSWIDTHAPARTANDEACHBOOKWASABIGRUNONSENTENCE-
I am not really interested in text criticism (but there are people that devote ther lives to discovering how to make the Bible easier to understand) But I want to point out something that I think is funny. There are people that try to claim that the Bible is completely filled with errors that have been placed in translations. But what thoes people do not know is that in 1947 some sheaperds fond some old writtings called the dead sea scrols. The funny part is that the writtings had been left untouched (Since about the time of JESUS) and many of the writtings mirror what is said in the Bibles that we have https://blog.oup.com/2017/04/contemporary-significance-dead-sea-scrolls/
Another piece of information that I want to include is that 'if' JESUS was not the SON of GOD, then the man was a crazy liar (how do you call a fraud a good man) Then a person would need to explain the odd phenomanon of people that are ready to die for a crazy man.
In this writting I would like to include one more piece of information. I have not read all of the writtings of Flavius Josephus. But I have read some of what this historian from antiquity wrote...and perhaps you will think that it is intresting also http://www.ultimatebiblereferencelibrary.com/Complete_Works_of_Josephus.pdf :)

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lvictorfaulkner 5 years ago

When God speaks I will listen.
So far there are many books written by people, claiming to be divine without proof that they were not lying
I have yet to see a book written by a perfect God in His words, not those of a subjective imperfected and limited human

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captaintj 5 years ago

I am just pointing out that the thoughts 'love does not need to be perfect it just needs to be true' sounds pretty good...but it has led to some pretty bad situations. The above saying may not point to a single god or group of gods, however it implies that each of us are smart enough to figure out how to show love...but Hitler was smart and according to him he was not filled with hate or fear

I would like to share with you a song

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lvictorfaulkner 5 years ago

True, so does anything and everthing that's taken to extremes
Even a growth mindset can lead a glass to be filled beyond it's capacity

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captaintj 5 years ago

Who is going to be in charge of determining weather or not any matter is taken to extremes?

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lvictorfaulkner 5 years ago

Each person should take responsibility for their thoughts, words & actions; and lack thereof

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