RE: Poll: Flags or Downvotes?

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RE: Poll: Flags or Downvotes?

justineh in #poll • 6 years ago (edited)

Hey dear, I don’t work for corporate and have put in more hours here (with no pay) then I can count to help this place.

I know when someone doesn’t agree with you, the easiest thing to do is say there must be a conspiracy or that they somehow are benefiting from the issues.. or just trying to cover them up. Which is absurd, and therefore comical.

You just are short sighted and don’t understand blockchain or even what censorship is. So, I’ll go back to what I said... there is a purpose for downvotes.. if you don’t get that, maybe you should go research to find out why.

Otherwise you are just trying to sink the ship by thinking everyone should be rewarded all this “free” money all the time, no matter if the community likes the content or not.. and no mechanism to counter it, which means you also don’t understand economics.

So I’ll leave it at that. Because based on your excessive and uneducated comments all over this post, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Have a good one.

6 years ago in #poll by justineh

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sunlit7 6 years ago (edited)

First off I based the "you being corporate" off that first voting proposal stuff they did where it stated you had been brought in to work with corporate. Secondly, and it's been pointed out, again back then, you just happen to pop out of the blue somewhere and had one thing posted to your blog so I am taking it you have no blogging experience and wouldn't know what makes a successful blogging platform it it hit you in the face. I've been blogging for four, five years now and have served as moderator on some of the top news sites for one major platform. I am sorry I have to point out to you that this site sucks...it doesn't suck for lack of good content, excellent commentary, opinion pieces it sucks because people fear speaking their minds on a subject without getting flagged. I am fully aware when it comes to money there has to be a way to control those who'd cheat but controlling those who would cheat and free speech are two different things. Not only can they get mad and flag you on their post but they can run over and flag everything unrelated to it...and that's why people walk around on here saying in various ways: nice post, I agree with you, excellent write up, it mundane and boring.

If you want to get to the crust of it, I am just being honest, but people with high sp and reputations flag people who do the exact same thing they do, they post a meme and make money off it but someone with low sp tries that and it's flag city, so you can't say it's not a two faced system that benefits one group over another and you don't expect those people to feel offended? You can't run a site where there's one set of rules for one group and another set of rules for another, it's never going to end up well.

Overall I see this as just a ploy that will enable more eyes to help fight the supposed abuse of a meme poster while those same low sp people won't dare downvote a high sp holder for doing the same. Nothing of real essence is going to change.

Believe me the first time I take the time to read a post, maybe even have to put some research into it, write a comment, if someone(s) up vote it then someone comes along and downvotes my rewards away I'll be leaving at that point, I can go blog for free on quite a few sites.

One last thing, I really don't believe you just came out of nowhere and jumped on the bandwagon, there's just no convincing me that even happened.

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justineh 6 years ago (edited)

I’m not sure what you are referring to as me being brought in to work with corporate. If you mean the foundation proposals, I was elected by the community to help organize it.. which pretty much means I worked as the community’s secretary for free for the last few months to help try to improve this place.

As far as my blog having one post.. it clearly says it’s my new blog.. and links to the old one.. where I have been for almost two years. Yeah, I’m not a professional blogger.. as I spend most of my time here curating content (again for free) and trying to help good authors be rewarded, help them find their community and yeah, fight unjust flagging. I know it happens, and usually it can be worked out if each party doesn’t start raging like lunatics.

As far as this site sucking, not sure what that is specifically referring to..we are definitely a work in progress. I guess you mean just the downvotes as you mentioned them specifically. This discussed change is only for how the downvotes/flags will be displayed and has nothing to do with how they will work.. simple as that.

I pretty much speak my mind here, no matter the wallet size and have been flagged plenty for it. Saying people are silenced is not true.. they may have their potential rewards removed and put back into the reward pool (as well as that of the one who flagged them) as well as be “grayed” out.. but they aren’t silenced. And many here will stand up to help those who are unjustly flagged.. the issue is, when most receive a downvote or flag, they rage.. as they feel they are entitled to the payout.. and then they acquire more flags for the ragging.

After awhile, how can the community defend them? There have been many, many cases of someone being unjustly flagged and handling it like an adult, and the situation is resolved.

The issue here is the culture of the downvotes which leads to abuse as well as over reaction. Normalizing the downvotes for what they were intended as well as education and the community pulling together to ensure they are used correctly is the only solution. This UI change as well as further discussion is the way to achieve that.. as well as time and work.

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sunlit7 6 years ago

I've seen post raking in hundreds for minimal effort that I can't agree with but I am not going to downvote them or flag them if I could because I see people with large amounts of sp doing the same exact thing. I see people who work really hard putting out some fantastic stuff making a small sum on each post and it really isn't fair to them either but in all due fairness I don't want to get caught up in some battle I am going to lose by confronting the person who flagged them that they just did the exact same thing. It's actually easier to talk to the person whose raging, I've done it before and it worked rather well...but it's a never ending cycle. I don't know what the answer is to be honest.

There's a guy on here who I seen on trending page once and decided to follow. At first it was okay but it basically amounts to the same thing and sometimes it's only two, three paragraphs, once I told him it looked like something he wrote on a napkin after a performance at a bar. He makes hundreds of dollars doing a Daily Affirmations by Stuart Smalley type stuff....I've seen authors on here writing intellectually stimulating stuff of much better caliber then his making less than ten bucks a pop yet months later someone resteemed one of his articles the other day and he's still raking in hundreds, and he has his groupies with their hands out, it ridiculously unfair to the more talented who treat the system fairly but aren't, in my opinion, being rewarded the value they deserve. Everything just seems out of balance.

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