RE: SMT’s and steem-engine tokens - Why I think its a waste of time

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bembelmaniac in #steem • 6 years ago

im totally with you... all i can see atm was a lot of people started to power down their STEEM to buy this new Frontendtoken , and they forgot they will loose RC too when they do it this way... so the complete system get wonky by going this way... I see also a small problem.. For my Post a i need to use Frontend A ( or its # ) for the next a completely other one .. So this sets Borders in middle of STEEMIT, i dont know if i like this but in my first thoughts i need to say .. NOPE i dont like it... I love the Community of STEEMIT , but all this selfmade Borders will show up one thing... People will start to refund their operation Delegations to get the SP back to power up their own Vote again because they will get less by their own posts... And try to invest it in all NEW WAYS... so what will happen ?? Yeah i think a lot of Actual Communities will die in this progress. Yeah there will come a Community Reward POOL, but hey you need to pay a lot to get on this List to have a CHANCE to pay out of it, so next stuff which is made to DISS the small Communities because they cant efford the Payment to get on this lists...

Yeah so The Community showed hey STEEMIT wqe dont need YOU and the SMT we re going to make ourselfs Token and going forward so , ahm why we did this ???

And yeah im using this frontends because with only steem its nearly not worthy anymore to create a post because all are swopping

STEEMIT i LOVE you but imm not okay with the momentum

6 years ago in #steem by bembelmaniac

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shadowspub 6 years ago

well actually, you don't have to use the different front ends. You can simply use the relevant tag on your Steem post and more than one if you wish which will stack the earned tokens. You really only need to go to the relevant front ends if you want to see your posts displayed with their token.

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paulag 6 years ago

the problems you highlight are real problems. it's not a very positive feeling watching all of this godown. And there is still way to much demand the rewards pool to fund all these things that are only hurting us further.

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bembelmaniac 6 years ago

prob is , i tried to show em up, all i got was something like a more bad FEELING about it, because at least i was a LEECHER, ( i used the Word earlier in conversation ) because i dont Invest Hundreds of $ into steem,

And i said hey im a STEEMIT user, i got invited by the Inforrmations doing some BLOG Stuff and get paid for... Okay i see its really less i get paid but hey i had fun by doin it...

but the upcoming 50/50 change it into another mess as well...

Why im saying this... See...

if a Creator got today 75% of his Post and 25 % to the Voters it means you get 75 Cent of a Dollar for you, seems like a fair deal but is it a real fair deal...

Its liek a Hey i buy a newspapoer at you for a Dollar but hey when i read it i want 50 cent back of you... this is the NEW 50/50 way...

Hey i know a lot of People Ionvest into STEEM, and hey its a Crypto , yeah you can win you can loose ....,

but now to say hey i dont get enough out of it, i will change the System...

When i joined here everyone told me i need to see there is on one side STEEM as a Crypto and BASE of all Steemit stuff ... okay

And there is on the other side STEEMIT the blogging stuff which uses the STEEM Blockchain and generate STEEM and SBD by CREATE Things....

OOOAKY ... i think its still same... But something changed ..The People mixed it up they see their Investioon into STEEM in same as the PAYOUT SYSTEM of STEEMIT but it isnt same and we shouldnt start to mix it up, but it happened already . It started by HF 20 when it got made totally easy for these Bots... now they say , hey the Bots are a problem... okay lets change it again , but STOP why it should get changed only in a bad way for Smaller Users, creators... Because for big ones it s nice to get more from the Cake , but it wont change up for the Small ones... because the big ones will still vote EMSELF to Maximize the Efford...

I know anyone will come and tell me hey im completley wrong , and i will say again i see people want more, but whats the prize...

If we KILL the Small Communities the Stuff which made STEEMIT this special will be lost, because the Big ones all Vote their own Automated created stuff...

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bembelmaniac 6 years ago

and please nah im not moaning for dont have a whale voting me, im okay with the system as it was....

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paulag 6 years ago

so in effect, there is so much to work on....and we are moving ahead with these smts when we dont even have the basics right

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bembelmaniac 6 years ago

there only 2 ways.. Do it or leave it

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baah 6 years ago

You're OK with getting 75% even though, that 75% is coming from an ever smaller 20 some %, instead of trying to get 50% coming from a larger slice because to you the whales will not take advantage of the free downvotes to curb those who abuse (whales are lazy, or short term gains focused, correct?) and you don't think that with increased curation rewards it'll make it so that curation is more profitable than delegations to bidbots, which are far more profitable than either self voting and organic curation? You think that it's bad that smaller users will have a larger portion of rewards being distributed to them, both because self voting and overpriced content can be curbed with free downvotes, and also because now that curation rewards can compete with the other means it will translate directly into more rewards for all, big and small content creators, exactly like smoke.io and palnet.io have demonstrated with their 50/50 split?

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bembelmaniac 6 years ago

Are you really thinking the SUPER Whales are going and take the time to SEARCH for good content !! NO...

Hey we re talking about STEEM not PALNET or whatever, there could be come hundreds of new Frontends because take a look everyone build now a new one, everyone is creating tokens , but where is it worth it... I see a lot of borders with this tokens, why, see everyone want People Using their tokens their Frontend, and at the end you will see it will break the community stuff as we know it

To use this FREE DOWNVOTES the people need to start to invest LOADS of hours to read the stuff which get voted,m do you really think it will happens...

Take a look how much trash is around and nobody is doin a thing yeah we have some communities but thats almost all small users ...

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baah 6 years ago (edited)

Are you really thinking the SUPER Whales are going and take the time to SEARCH for good content !! NO...

What are you talking about? Curation rewards being able to compete with delegations to bidbots which encourages vote selling and buying, and therefore not curation, will most certainly make some of the whales who are delegating so as a desperate bid to keep up with the competition, the bidbots, who continue to consolidate power, as both a way to combat the bidbots (removing their delegations) and they will be most certainly incentivized to punish things that are overpriced AND especially the ones that cheat, as will everyone else.

They don't have to find content, as if it's a chore. Heck it's so simple to scroll through any one tag for the last 24-48 hours of posts that yes I do not find it hard to imagine them doing so, after all you think that they don't want to consume new things? Regardless, they will have no trouble finding what is overpriced or what is bidboted/cheating, and what do you think, that they are too lazy to click a button and consider how much to downvote for?

Hey we re talking about STEEM not PALNET or whatever, there could be come hundreds of new Frontends because take a look everyone build now a new one, everyone is creating tokens , but where is it worth it...

What are you talking about again? Did I say anything about a frontend? No, I was talking about their distribution, and said that it's a demonstration that 50/50 is working. Where did you think that it was about the front end. If I vote for a post tagged palnet from ANY frontend, I distribute rewards to the post both in steem and in pal coin, but it's not about that at all, just had to clear your confusion.

To use this FREE DOWNVOTES the people need to start to invest LOADS of hours to read the stuff which get voted,m do you really think it will happens...

Why do you think that opening trending and downvoting paid for content takes loads of hours or even reading. One can simply skim and decide what the article deserves, and things like crap engagement or no engagement under the post will be a dead giveaway so they can theoretically skip even the skimming.

Take a look how much trash is around and nobody is doin a thing yeah we have some communities but thats almost all small users ...

Then get the fuck out of here. You're no different than the trash, you have a low brow opinion of the people here, you seem very miserable, as everything is seemingly crap, trash, and lazy profiteers with big pockets, and "small users". Why stick it out, go fuck off elsewhere. People are actually trying to do something about it, but you don't expect shit from them, which is because you think they are idiots and lazy, they don't know how to take care of their investments and what, you don't expect them to use free downvotes, something that they want, because they're lazy? Ugh, retards everywhere: "they aren't going to use the tools they want, to do the work that is needed, because look at them not working right now, because why not expect them to work with tools that are as poor for the job as almost not having the tool, why expect them to take advantage of better tools, they are lazy because they're not using the shitty tools".

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waleedtee 6 years ago

STEEMPEAK (steempeak.com) does a good job of integrating all the communities/tokens together on one website and wallet. You can check and interact with Palnet, dtube, travelfeed, dsound, 3Speak., SportsTalk... all in one place.

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bembelmaniac 6 years ago

you can Interact from STEEMIT.COM as well to this Frontends , because without the STEEMIT page and the RC you have over there all this others dont WORK...

But hey thx for letting us know what we already knew :)

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waleedtee 6 years ago

Not really. Steemit.com does not integrate. Yes you can see the post and hit the like button. But that's not integration. Integration means they work flawlessly in place and display all relevant information.

p.s. Steemit.com can go down and everything else will keep working. RC can be bought from the blockchain by the dapps on behalf of their users while they use a token.

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paulag 6 years ago

" Steemit.com can go down and everything else will keep working. RC can be bought from the blockchain by the dapps on behalf of their users while they use a token."
very true, just like any blockchain as its ran by witnesses and miners

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