RE: "Decentralized" YouTube Alternatives on Steem? Nope, Not Yet | A Detailed Look at 3Speak and Dtube

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RE: "Decentralized" YouTube Alternatives on Steem? Nope, Not Yet | A Detailed Look at 3Speak and Dtube

lordbutterfly in #steem • 5 years ago (edited)

It is nuanced trolling. Pointing out things to the steem community that is mostly aware of how everything works and isnt really bothered with it since "decentralize everything" isnt the point..
Then again, Dtube is decentralized. Using IPFS allows for anyone to host their own or others videos.

This whole post is one massive red herring coming from someone that shills bitcoin on twitter which is one of the most lied about cryptos in the history of crypto, one of the most manipulated, one with most corruption tied into. Yet you wont see much criticism on Bitcoin but shell ask you to shut up when someone asks:

"Whats a decentralized alternative to Youtube.".

Shes pointing out something people are aware of and trying to use it to FUD. Yelling "its not decentralized on twitter" while 5 mining pools can hit bitcoin for 51%.

Creating a narrative:

"Youre liars, dont be liars."

...while Steem is the least marketed and least "full of shit" crypto out there. And shes doing that now that Steem has a sliver of a chance to get its name out there.

Virtue signaling with ill intent, nothing more.

Its like if people started talking about Steem and it started getting out in the space and i started posting and tweeting to get attention:

Did ya know about the premine, did ya? did ya know that Steemit can ban you too, they have banned 3 people already. Did ya know? Did ya know?!

It would be with ill intent and a scummy thing to do. Just like it is right now that dtube and threespeak are getting attention.

5 years ago in #steem by lordbutterfly

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justineh 5 years ago (edited)

Nah, if I wanted to shit talk Steem.. I would do it out there 🙂 stop making everything so personal butterfly, again.

I own a decent stake in STEEM and have worked on it for almost 2years. Why would I want it to fail? That’s not very logical.

This is not something “everyone knew” in fact many steemians have been shilling it as so all over twitter due to things they saw the team saying.. and the fact that their faq states they store it on the blockchain, therefore creating a false narrative.

If you knew, awesome.

Others didn’t, and they need to know to back up their stuff.. and not get people here on fake pretenses. False pretenses are a sure way to make Steem look bad.. way more than this post you seem to think is meant to do so.

While you try to twist things here though (I’m sure you’ll get your much needed brownie points for that, don’t worry), we are already working on possible solutions, as this is a problem that needs to be solved.

I know many people like to sugar coat problems and just ignore them, so they get their upvote, others like to solve them.

I would like both groups to get attention right now, even said that above .. great time for steem to be in the spotlight, but let’s not ruin it with false empty shills.. people aren’t dumb, and they will backfire.

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lordbutterfly 5 years ago

if I wanted to shit talk Steem.. I would do it out there..

You want me to quote your tweets? The whole discussion on crypto twitter this last week was about the youtube ban, Steem, Dtube, 3Speak is mentioned in every single discussion and you go out tweeting multiple times how none of these things are decentralized.. (except lbry apparently based on your assessment)
You even told Marky in the comments here how when decentralization is mentioned Steemians should shut their mouths.
The fuck are you doing?

stop making everything so personal butterfly.

You made it personal when you brought up our private discussions on twitter and tried to use it against me in what was a fairly well mannered discussion about your Anti-vaccination opinions. Then blocked me and wrote a bunch of tweets in response to our discussion that i could not respond to.

Why would I want it to fail? That’s not very logical.

It is quite logical. When someone is disappointed with some people he/she sees as the community leaders and openly shifts focus from STEEM to Bitcoin, then that one person might start writing crap like this where she "sticks it to Steem, on the down low" for hurting her so now that she is emotionally invested with Bitcoin.
"The true and only decentralized king of kings".

due to things they saw the team saying

Did 3speak say they were decentralized? Im pretty sure their narrative was censorship resistance.
Most people talk about Steem as a decentralized option with dapps build on it and 3speak and Dtube (which is decentralized) as alternatives to Youtube.

The issue is in you looking to attack a position not taken by anyone of significance that

isnt misrepresented by anyone, rather misunderstood by some.

Crypto is filled with absolutely insane claims and you decided to use your reach to literally shit where you eat because of some personal dissapointment with some dickheads?
You can shit on any person you like but when you go against Steem, in this case, extremely unfairly, then its more then personal.

and not get people here on fake pretenses.

Give me a break.
As i said. Virtue signaling with ill intent.
False pretenses. lol Crypto is built on false pretenses, Steem being one of the few that isnt capable of making up one so you reach for the most fringe of examples of when someone says:

@threespeak!!!

in a discussion about decentralized youtube alternatives. You go and try to correct no one of consequence that is generally just misinformed and make a big deal out of it.
Just because you might not like someone.

we are already working on possible solutions, as this is a problem that needs to be solved.

Youre working possible solutions. I cant wait to see them. Steem solution or Bitcoin solutions?

people aren’t dumb, and they will backfire.

People are retards and that cant be emphasized enough. Have you looked at the CMC, ever??
Theres no one running empty shills. Thats why this whole thing is a big fat red herring. You trying to create this problem that doesnt exist.
Theres like a couple minnows that get it wrong sometimes and people that mention 3speak when "decentralized alternatives" are asked for, most times not even calling it decentralized.
Is that a capital offense! Its not, but you dislike some folks in charge, so it must be.

Stop being full of shit. Bitcoin is garbage, a stagnating factor that will never be used for anything, but shill it if you must. Every time you pull some shit like this (no matter our little talks) ill drop by.

Dickheads will be dickheads and i understand you disliking the community leadership but these vindictive outbursts against steem are shitty and people flock to them like flies to crap.. None of them know what youre "actually" doing but probably suspect it.

Youre turning into a dickhead like those that you describe as such. You dont need that. People come and go, Steem stays put...

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justineh 5 years ago (edited)

Do you actually read anything before you comment or are you just so foaming out the mouth to look important that you spew anything that comes to your mind?

You want me to quote your tweets? The whole discussion on crypto twitter this last week was about the youtube ban, Steem, Dtube, 3Speak is mentioned in every single discussion and you go out tweeting multiple times how none of these things are decentralized.. (except lbry apparently based on your assessment)

No, I didn't. I did not bash Steem or any of these projects anywhere. In fact, I commented to say that Steem was already doing many of these things.. AND I didn't even have to lie or twist truths to make it sound better.. as I actually think the Steem platform is pretty kickass and there is no need to do so to make it look better.

The tweets you are discussing were general "don't say it's decentralized when it's not" it did not name any projects, as I was talking about at least 10 or so I have seen doing it in response to the "purge". I don't think LBRY is decentralized.. but they are implementing torrent or P2P that I find interesting and wondered if it would be a solution to doing so here.. so I was asking questions on exactly how it works. Not really sure what you think you read, feel free to go look.

You even told Marky in the comments here how when decentralization is mentioned Steemians should shut their mouths. The fuck are you doing?

What are you talking about? I asked him (in response to his statement that they did not do this) if when people as "what is a decentralized alternative to YouTube?" and people answer "3speak" if that is alluding to 3speak being a decentralized alternative to YouTube.. and therefore misleading. (btw.. this is their founder who answered that way, not some user who was just doing their best to promote it)

You made it personal when you brought up our private discussions on twitter and tried to use it against me in what was a fairly well mannered discussion about your Anti-vaccination opinions. Then blocked me and wrote a bunch of tweets in response to our discussion that i could not respond to.

Nope, I had a discussion with you (on my anti force and calling out hypocrites "fighting for freedom" tweet), then stated that it was clear you didn't want to have a discussion, as you didn't even get the point of the tweet and kept talking about other things (like now).. you just wanted to be seen and heard.

I realized that just stopping interactions with you in places that I had that option would be the best way forward. This was based on many conversations with you (like this one) and many DM's over the years where all you want to do is scream and yell until people say you are right.. you don't want to have discussion.. you want to hear yourself speak.

This was something I didn't want to do anymore.. as I don't have any desire to force you to see things my way, but you do.. and I don't really feel like hearing that all the time.

Do your thing man, not everyone is going to agree with you, and that is alright.

It is quite logical. When someone is disappointed with some people he/she sees as the community leaders and openly shifts focus from STEEM to Bitcoin, then that one person might start writing crap like this where she "sticks it to Steem, on the down low" for hurting her so now that she is emotionally invested with Bitcoin."The true and only decentralized king of kings".

I don't even know where to start there. This post is me "sticking it to Steem"?

I have always spoken about Bitcoin as well.. as I have said a million times to you.. I think STEEM and Bitcoin are very different and fill different roles in the world I would like to see.

You disagree with this and think I should just shill Steem as that is where I have "influence" and "will be rewarded".. Yeah.. that isn't really what it is about to me.. it is about building a more free world I want to see.. and I get you see things differently, which is fine.. but you have to stop raging on me just because I see things differently.

I don't tweet about Steem anymore because I do not agree with the rewards mechanism anymore.. I think it causes more problems than good and is creating a very anti social community. I believe communities and SMTs will possibly fix this and therefore am just curating and doing things behind the scenes while waiting for those.

I do not feel scorned by Steem or "hurt" and now acting out.. if that was the case.. you would think there would be some posts actually shit talking Steem.. everywhere. As I know quite a bit, and would have plenty to talk about.

I am not, as I see the value in this place and what it can be.

Perhaps you need to do some self reflection on that one.. lots of projection there.

Did 3speak say they were decentralized? Im pretty sure their narrative was censorship resistance.

I think I answered this one above.. I guess you should stalk other peoples tweets.. not just mine.

Oh yeah and their FAQ says they store on the blockchain.. probably why their users are confused as well.

Crypto is filled with absolutely insane claims and you decided to use your reach to literally shit where you eat because of some personal dissapointment with some dickheads?
You can shit on any person you like but when you go against Steem, in this case, extremely unfairly, then its more then personal.

Did you read the post? Is there something false in it? Where does it allude to being anything personal? Or is this something else that is all in your head?

I get you only want to kick the hornets nest when it will get you upvotes, but I don't and never have, played that game.

The post is what it is, to show how these platforms work because it seems even the founders were a bit confused.

Youre working possible solutions. I cant wait to see them. Steem solution or Bitcoin solutions?

:) Bitcoin could never be used for video and I don't think any platform has a better shot at web 3.0 than Steem... I am sorry I hurt you due to me liking Bitcoin as a SOV though.. seems it really got to you.

The discussion was w/Dtube and 3speak about integration of IPFS (growth of nodes for dtube and how to incentivize the growth of the network)

I am not building anything.. just getting the people in the room to brainstorm.. as I have always believed collaboration is the best way to find success.

Theres no one running empty shills. Thats why this whole thing is a big fat red herring. You trying to create this problem that doesnt exist.
Theres like a couple minnows that get it wrong sometimes and people that mention 3speak when "decentralized alternatives" are asked for, most times not even calling it decentralized.

Again, I am not talking about users.. I am talking about founders and their own information they have on their site. Maybe read a bit before your next outburst.

Dickheads will be dickheads and i understand you disliking the community leadership but these vindictive outbursts against steem are shitty and people flock to them like flies to crap.. None of them know what youre "actually" doing but probably suspect it.

Dude, read the damn post already and perhaps some comments. I am not bashing Steem ffs. I don't think we need to blindnessly applaud everything projects do though, feel free to do as you wish.. there is nothing bashing Steem in this post in the slightest.

That sounds like a damn script someone sent you to yell repeatably until people believe it. Read what I wrote.. not what is in your head.

Youre turning into a dickhead like those that you describe as such. You dont need that. People come and go, Steem stays put...

I have always been a dickhead and always spoke my mind. And I wont just go with the flow and join the wank club to make you feel all warm inside. I also wont be intimidated to speak out about false claims due to those behind the project.

Because as you said.. People come and go, Steem stays put. And STEEM is my main concern here.. not whoever is popular and everyone is wanking this week.

Steem has the ability to change the way we use the internet.. not one app built on top of it sucking the rewards pool.. but Steem, the underlying technology that I personally find revolutionary.

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lordbutterfly 5 years ago (edited)

Do you actually read anything before you comment

Yes

The tweets you are discussing were general "don't say it's decentralized when it's not"

You just made me punch myself. It was one of those: "Does she really think she can sell me this crap, punches".
There was NOTHING general about that. Ive responded to that in the last comment. Cut the crap. I.know.you. You know what you said and why you said it. I wont go into more detail.
STOP being a dumbass. Yes, you can get attention on Twitter, i told you that a 100 times, but use that to lift us up not to shit on Steem because you think people in charge are dickheads.
What the fucks wrong with you! Steem isnt 10 people. Theres a bunch of us here that cant do what you can. Weve talked about this 6 months ago. What the hell are you doing?!
Youre not an idiot and you picked up Bitcoin to shill while bring steem down?!?! This vindictive BS doesnt suit you.

I asked him.. "edit the rest of the text since its all jumbled up."

And my answer was that this was not a transgression at all. People wanting to share the great projects built on their chains. And you up and call that out. A blockchain you started on, you invested thousands of hours in. You reach and call Steemians out for wanting to share information about 3speak that theyre excited about because they respond to inquiries that might not completely fit the characteristics of 3speak? Dtube is... i remind you decentralized making your comments only regard 3speak.

Ive told you a million times. People have money invested in STEEM, some their livelihoods. Shit on individuals as much as you want, but shit on steem and try to bring it down on the outside because of your personal disagreements with people you think are dickheads and ill do my best to point to your hypocrisy and your hidden agenda because i have money invested in STEEM and because i believe in STEEM.

That goes for you, ,my friends, my cousins, my brother, my father, my mother.

You disagree with this and think I should just shill Steem as that is where I have "influence" and "will be rewarded".

Why the hell would you write this. Having influence of STEEM means nothing when it comes to spreading the word on STEEM. Didnt i tell you that you can have influence beyond steem. Didnt i tell you that you can do X and you told me:

Oh i cant do that. Thats hard. I could never.

And now that youre doing it you lift a middle finger to it all. A middle finger to Steem.

You can either give up on Steem or you can believe in it and try get it into its rightful place.
STEEEM ISNT DAN or any of the farts from STINC!

you didn't want to have a discussion, as you didn't even get the point of the tweet

That doesnt make any sense.
"If i dont get your point, that means i didnt want to have a discussion."???
Thats nonsense. It only means that i dont accept your conclusion.
We could have had a misunderstanding, (which we didnt) we could have had an ugly argument (which we didnt) or i could have said something you didnt like (which was the case) and which is why you decided to block me and respond to my tweets afterwards.

I realized that just stopping interactions with you in places that I had that option would be the best way forward. This was based on many conversations with you (like this one) and many DM's over the years where all you want to do is scream and yell until people say you are right..

Yeah well you always just had to say: "Could you please stop talking to me."

And i would have stopped. You never did.

All you ever did was create drama like this, then make up, its all cool after a week or two when you calm down and no longer had to "shove it to someone."
This is a millionth time at this same thing.

I get you only want to kick the hornets nest when it will get you upvotes, but I don't and never have, played that game.

Whos upvotes am i getting? Traf upvoted me a dozen times and we literally disagreed on a million things. I mean you were there during the EIP discussion. Acid upvotes me every 10 posts and i criticize his favorite game constantly. Ive criticized Dan. Dtube. everyone. Whos upvotes am i trying to get???

You disagree with this and think I should just shill Steem as that is where I have "influence" and "will be rewarded"..

Haha. Nice try. Nice try.

I do not agree with the rewards mechanism anymore.. I think it causes more problems than good and is creating a very anti social community.

Whats changed? I guess the price went down. You no longer think.....
What exactly is the problem? Steem isnt a flawless system that perfectly distributes inflation. hahaha.
No shit.
Who claimed it ever was?

Its the best option that exists, though.

I am not, as I see the value in this place and what it can be.

Not according to your "non public" comments.

Oh yeah and their FAQ says they store on the blockchain.. probably why their users are confused as well.

@wehmoen can you respond to what you mean by this from your FAQ
"Our system uses blockchain to store the content, meaning it cannot be arbitrarily removed:"

its the fact that you picked up Bitcoin while shitting on everything Steem which is teh problem.

I am not building anything.. just getting the people in the room to brainstorm.. as I have always believed collaboration is the best way to find success.

hahahaha. And you say i twist the truth

there is nothing bashing Steem in this post in the slightest.

Of course there is. Its nuanced. Its low key yet obvious. Its all because you dislike some folks.

That sounds like a damn script someone sent you to yell repeatably until people believe it. Read what I wrote.. not what is in your head.

Youve said a million things. Not everything that you wrote here shows what you really mean. What youve said elsewhere, that you really mean, thats not reflected in this text, is what made you write this text. Whats in your head.

I have always been a dickhead and always spoke my mind. And I wont just go with the flow and join the wank club to make you feel all warm inside. I also wont be intimidated to speak out about false claims due to those behind the project.

No. Youve never been a dickhead. Youve never spoke your mind. LOL.

Thats what i do. You just picked the "next flow" in your online "evolution".
Bitcoin.
No ones intimidating you. Youre trending on Steemit. The fuck are you talking about? Whos intimidating you.
Dont pull a victim card.
Its just me. 80 comments kissing your ass and me.

but Steem, the underlying technology that I personally find revolutionary.

Go write that on Twitter because i dont buy it here where no ones looking. ;)

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justineh 5 years ago

I downvoted this due to the fact that this long ass thread is now attached to the top voted comment. It’s taking away from the actual conversation at hand, including that on the original comment.

This is like some cat fight about mean stuff on twitter.. and not about the post.

I’m not trying to hide it, but it is taking away from the actual conversation. :)

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lordbutterfly 5 years ago

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