Steem Pitch

aggroed in #steemfoundation • 5 years ago

I've been inspired by Stoodkev's pitch contest and the interaction I've had with Steemians in the Marketing Rambles. So, here's what I got for a pitch. Let me know if you think it resonates with what we do here.

The pitch

Here at steem we believe people are the value and we do everything we can to empower them.

You have voting rights and make decisions about the network
Your words are stored forever on servers all over the world ensuring your speech is protected
You can send value to anyone, anywhere, for free in 3 seconds enabling global business
And we believe that your time is valuable so we reward you for spending it here!

We're the Steem blockchain and we're the perfect home for your internet business and community. Find out more at website.com

#ramble #steem #palnet #steemit

5 years ago in #steemfoundation by aggroed

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bubke 5 years ago

perfect, only i think the contest is finished :-)

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mattclarke 5 years ago

Your words are stored forever on servers all over the world ensuring your speech is protected

Huge selling point.

The few people who know money is broken are already aware of crypto.
The many who know online speech is broken are looking for alternatives.

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dr-frankenstein 5 years ago

Not totally true, some people don't like the idea that they can't delete something they wrote before or their photos (probably why you won't see stars and celebrities coming here) ... if there was a mechanism to allow this for users that would be perfect.

The issue was already discussed here:
https://github.com/steemit/steem/issues/3350

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belemo 5 years ago

True. I don't like that as well

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mattclarke 5 years ago

Celebrities already know they can't delete photos from the internet.

If they post it themselves and delete the original from wherever its hosted (imgur, for example), then the chain will just show a broken link. Naturally there's an excellent chance somebody will have copied it in the meantime, though.

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dr-frankenstein 5 years ago

Still, immutability alone isn't attractive enough for some people.

I personally don't see a problem with allowing people to remove their account and data from the chain (not sure of its current doability), the users should have the ultimate control over the things they share, that's the selling point, immutability is good but only when it comes to protecting your data against censorship, if immutability means that your data will be taken in hostage by the blockchain forever, some people might not like the idea. The concept is not perfect, but it's something to think about.

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mattclarke 5 years ago

the users should have the ultimate control over the things they share

True. Things they don't want publicly visible, worldwide, forever; shouldn't be shared on the chain. Post it literally anywhere else on the internet, and you can take it down, the site owner can take it down, the alphabet bois can take it down.

This is the one place nobody can do that; and its main selling point.

Think about it like this. Imagine I post something a powerful person doesn't want known.

If I can permanently, entirely delete my posts from the chain, he only needs to shake me down for my keys then use them to do so, and his problem goes away (as do I).

Since that's impossible, I can post all sorts of stuff about all sorts of people, and they can't do anything about it. Even more; if I suddenly go missing or turn up dead, there's going to be a lot of scrutiny on my posts, which can't be deleted, even by somebody in possession of my keys.

There's no problem to solve here. This is the solution.

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dr-frankenstein 5 years ago (edited)

That's the point, not everyone is on the blockchain for Information warfare. I didn't state that it's a problem, but rather something that isn't completely perfect. Sooner or later such a mechanism will need to be implemented and initiated according to a specific consensus to fight against crimes that could sink the whole blockchain to hell such as underage pornography and so on. As I stated, I don't know the exact solution, but it's something to think about. We really don't want to be known as the pedophiles' heaven ... these are problems that we need to think about because we will surely face them one day.

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mattclarke 5 years ago

1: The chain only records text, so unless its ASCII art of child porn, I don't see it being an issue.
2: A permanent record like the chain is the last place somebody is going to want to share criminal conduct like that.
3: The chain is a database; so each front end can choose to show/not show any content they like.
4: In an absolute dire case, the witnesses can permanently delete something, like nuclear launch codes, but at least 17 of them have to agree that it needs to go.
I'm not aware of any examples of this happening.

I would oppose, and I'm confident almost all witnesses would oppose, any change to the chain that would let individuals permanently delete data.

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dr-frankenstein 5 years ago

I think we can both agree that text can be used to redirect people to onion links (like a dark web wiki), I even think that text alone should be enough. All things apart, I found on the net that it is possible to store data (images) as text (binary) then recompile them again using specific tools.
It is actually safer to do it on an immutable chain than going for an onion option, immutability will allow fire-and-forget approach, which is far safer than using tor which will compromise your browser fingerprinting uniqueness.
Well, the problem here is that the front-end won't be necessary, people will just need to use a block explorer.
What do you think about letting the user choose? like giving people the choice before posting something to check a mark if they want the post to be immutable or not. This could be attractive to both those who want immutability and those who don't want nor need it or even cannot work by it due to regulations or commercial contracts.

This is all theorizing of course, but the steem blockchain needs to evolve, to adapt according to people's needs while keeping its core value at the same time. The immutability thing is overrated, we have already seen with HF9 what would happen if someone powerfull wants to play god.

You can read the post and comments here for more information:

https://steemit.com/stopthepowerdown/@lukestokes/is-steem-centrally-controlled

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revisesociology 5 years ago

Pretty much spot on, an excellent succinct summary of what are almost certainly some of the most attractive features on Steem - I'd maybe add something about there being multiple ways to make a decent passive return while supporting innovators directly.

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organduo 5 years ago

Passive returns aren't very attractive in the bear market like we are now. Maybe when the tide changes direction.

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rentmoney 5 years ago

I agree with the pitch even though its does lead to the reader thinking they will have more rewards and power than they will likely get/have.

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arcange 5 years ago

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dreamryder007 5 years ago

I have a problem with the first line and point 4.

Here at steem we believe people are the value and we do everything we can to empower them.
And we believe that your time is valuable so we reward you for spending it here!

While this is clearly the way it should be!!! How can you say this with a straight face when you believe in your core that flagging for copy pasting titles, voting for friends if there account is to big should be flagged and if you vote for yourself .... with your money ...... DOOOOOMMMMMM.

Steem was supposed to be this great DE-CENTRALIZED place where you could mostly do what you wanted as an author. Then when steem attracted enough users and the value went up, the greedy bastards at the top started down voting everybody over STUPID SHIT (like copy pasting titles, voting for friends and self voting) ANNNDDD everyone left ... go figure .....

If you have changed your views on flagging and believe what you said above then lose the censorship. If they have a big account and are making a lot of money who cares. What if they are not doing exactly what you want the way you and other top witness want them too, who cares.

The first thing you all at the top need to do is get ride of the free down votes. Down voting should cost at twice as much (or more) to down vote someone than the down vote takes away.

The delegated account steemcleaners needs to be more focused and only down vote for porn in the wrong area, scams and hate groups. And they don't need much steem to do that because it is very low.

My final tip is that the crypto token Steem intrinsic value is ..... ZERO.

Let that sink in.

The ONLY value Steem has is the amount of attention it can generate from its user base and the money that comes with this.

-End Rant

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joebrochin 5 years ago

The first thing you all at the top need to do is get ride of the free down votes. Down voting should cost at twice as much (or more) to down vote someone than the down vote takes away.

My thoughts exactly, been saying this since I returned to Steem in October and discovered there was such thing as a downvote. On my very first post back, after being away for over a year, some asshat downvoted me with no reason stated.

I would go a step further than just paying for the downvote. Require the downvoter comment as to why it is being downvoted.

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okean123 5 years ago

But he downvoted with so few power that it doesn't even matter, why don't you complain about all the accounts spamming micro-upvotes? It takes as many rewards from you as those micro-downvotes.

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joebrochin 5 years ago (edited)

Good enough point. But I think it is just the negative message it sends, especially when no comment is provided as to why, nor do I like the fact they are free.

That said, I wouldn't be opposed to a requirement for comment as to why content was upvoted as well. Then if the upvote is part of one of these micro-upvote or downvote pools, the comment will most likely be a canned message that can quickly be identified and the comment downvoted instead of the post.

Admittedly, I am not one who studies the guts of Steem or how it really works so may not understand the impacts or technical requirements this may have. I am mostly here for the content and community, not as an income source.

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