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RE: Value Plan Q4 2024 - Q1 2025 Bridge Proposal and Discussion

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Valueplan has provided funds that eyewitnesses claim have been stolen by fraud. When @guiltyparties responded he did not offer to provide receipts to prove there had not been fraud. Instead he refused and said receipts would never be provided.

When @lordbutterfly lashed out at me for asking questions, he denied being paid anything other than for 'organizing hivefest', and when the massive payments made to him by Valueplan were pointed out his response was a stream of invective that would make a sailor blush, and ridicule for ever thinking that massive payments made to him could possibly be payments made to him.

Then he also absolutely refused to provide receipts.

I am appalled that any of you are associated with what has every appearance of being massive theft by fraud, and have put @lordbutterfly in a position of responsibility for managing significant funds without any thought to his inability to provide a professional level of representation.

I urge everyone to have a look at my post and @lordbutterfly's behaviour and responses to reasonable questions regarding expenditures. I would also remind ya'll that the DHF is partly your money. Valueplan is spending your money, and put @lordbutterfly in charge of spending lots of it, >$30k last month.

I wouldn't send him to the grocery store for a loaf of bread.

Despite Valueplan spending almost $3M dollars there are no new listings of Hive on exchanges, no big investors buying in, no influx of users excitedly blogging away, and no accounting for expenditures, nothing. What we did get are accusations of theft by fraud, refusal to provide receipts to prove there was no fraud, misleading claims about payments, intolerable insults and abuse, and the rising stench of corruption wafting across the cryptosphere.

Wipe the lipstick off this pig, because we're not dancing anymore.

Please vote the return proposal.

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The only thing I was paid for was Hivefest.

Then what happened to the money?

I bought stuff with it. Not that its your concern what I do with the money I earn.

yo prick give the money back

Nope

The money you got from Valueplan that wasn't to pay you for Hivefest. What happened to that money?

It was spent on stuff as described in memo.

If it was then there are receipts that show it was. All I or anyone else wants is that you provide that proof. The memo does not provide that information, so is not any evidence of how you spent that money. If you provide that evidence it will show whether you did what was right. If you do not provide that evidence, then the automatic assumption of everyone that is observing your actions regarding this conversation will be that you did not do what was right, because you are concealing that evidence.

“If somehow you’re being prevented from knowing, then you can be absolutely certain that crimes are being committed,” Carlson concluded, “because why else would they be hiding it from you?”--Tucker Carlson

“Now listen! Today I am giving you a choice between life and death, between prosperity and disaster."--Deuteronomy 30:15

What you do will determine your fate. It is your choice to do what is right and prosper, or to not do that and suffer. I already know what you will choose, because you chose it long ago and all your actions have revealed it for everyone to see. You still will now publicly reveal which fate you have chosen.

If it was then there are receipts that show it was.

Yeah ofc there is.

I almost wrote a complete answer but quoting Tucker Carlson of all people and the Bible over this, I cant.... you are not a sane person. I cant have a conversation with you. 😂

What you do will determine your fate. It is your choice to do what is right and prosper, or to not do that and suffer. I already know what you will choose, because you chose it long ago and all your actions have revealed it for everyone to see. You still will now publicly reveal which fate you have chosen.

I cant... Your insanity is compelling to observe from simply a sociological perspective but people will seriously start to question my own sanity for interacting with you.

Dont worry crazy. If them CIAs and FBIs come, ill be safe. No worries. 😘

I cannot compel you to answer these questions, but I am not who will decide your fate. These questions will be answered. There have been credible allegations of fraud regarding Valueplan's administration of disbursements of Hive's DHF fund of nearly $3M, and eyewitnesses to such fraud certainly understand that if they don't provide that information to law enforcement agencies they could end up being blamed for such crimes, so law enforcement is almost certainly presently investigating Valueplan and how it has disbursed the $M's it has spent.

Your disregard for reason and evidence upon which all the blessings of civilization depend is not surprising given your actions that reveal your misunderstanding of the world. Your protestations and claims you are innocent are the ubiquitous behaviour of thieves and scammers in every case known to me, and the one thing besides that all of them have in common is that they obfuscate, misstate, and conceal the actual evidence of their handling of money that didn't belong to them. You have chosen this. You perfectly conform to both these models that exemplify criminal theft by fraud. There is no credible reason for you to do this other than that you are committing theft by fraud. This is what Tucker Carlson said, and why I quoted him.

You stand at the plate with those two strikes against you. Three strikes and you're out. It doesn't matter whether you like the people that tell you the truth. It matters that they tell you the truth, and that the reason you don't like them is that they tell you the truth, because you don't like the truth. Whether you like it or not, the truth is what actually exists and will be the arbiter of your destiny. This is what Deuteronomy 30:15 says, and why I quoted it.

It is my hope that innocent people that have not been aware of these allegations or your attempts to obfuscate, mislead, and prevent people from seeing the evidence of your management of large sums of money that did not belong to you have paid attention to this conversation, and take appropriate steps to prevent them from being blamed for the actions of others that clearly will do everything in their power to avoid being held responsible for, which certainly includes laying blame on others for what they themselves did. We haven't observed that happening yet, because proof of the misdeeds hasn't yet been revealed, because you're hiding it from me, and people that do not have the power to take it.

People that do have the power to take it probably already have it, or will soon, and when they have completed their investigation - that you have forced to be necessary by concealing your administration of other people's money - we will see attempts to blame others for the crimes that are revealed. It is as predictable as the dawn. You walk like a duck. You talk like a duck. You look like a duck. What are you?

You are a duck.

Whatever you imagined isn't happening. LB paid a vendor last month. I have the agreement sitting in front of me right now.

Receipts have to be so heavily redacted to be posted publicly that they would be almost useless, similar to the one linked here about the car sale. This is because we've had cases of people call vendors/sponsored events and harass them. I already replied to another post committing to ask the conferences if we may publicly share their decks. I can't tell you if anyone will allow it but here's hoping.

There are new exchange listings being worked on on a regular basis, majority tied to our promotions. They do take a long time. This proposal directly funds requirements for US exchanges, which I know a lot of people are waiting on. In fact, almost the entire proposal value is for this.

In other words "just trust us bro, it for the greater good of hive."

I don't want anyone to trust me with these Hive promotions and all that goes with them, I want everyone to contribute to them.