Open Letter from Dapps to @justinsunsteemit

chiren 5 years ago

He doesn't care about anything steem other than steemit.com and the stake he has. He just wants to assimilate as much of the userbase as possible and bring them to TRON. I had hope that he would open his eyes and see the destruction he's causing, but this one leaves me very pessimistic. The survival of our blockchain cannot rely on this company anymore, it will have to come from the community.

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8 votes

bmanmcfly 5 years ago

People should focus on his track record. He invests in things to profit from the decline.

The blockchain has been dying for the better part of the last 2 years.

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https://steempeak.com/tron/@chiren/the-story-repeats-itself

chiren 5 years ago

Yes indeed. He has a history of using lies and shady (borderline illegal) tactics to profit.

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sanjasteem 3 years ago

🤑

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lapingvino 5 years ago

That is exactly the issue he doesn't see or probably ever will understand. If it were just steemit.com, I think nobody would even blink an eye about everything. But steem became a platform that goes way beyond a decentralized blog network. It's an actually really well functioning blockchain I would say. Now we see what blockchain tech really is about.

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keccak77 5 years ago

keccak77 (29)in SteemLeo • 2 hours ago
Just in, the Sun will be taking over uranis... What respectful planet would be called your anis, I'm just Sayin... Justin Sun is a shill, that is being funded to cause this problem. We need to gather, like minded people, so we can," FUCK" "JUSTIN, in his newly formed anis. And that's what hes talking like and acting like,"Justin Sun," needs to be our victim. The new economy, the believers in, "STEEMIT", other wise I just went to" Bitchute" and I Like it!!~!!
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mys 5 years ago

please restore the delegations

Your begging is funny. Justin is the new owner of key access to huge amount of Steem Power. He does with this stake what he like. Do You know the term Your keys = Your money?
If You want to build a community, do it with community members. Dont build it on somebody else money! During years of delegated SP above dApps gathered more than enough to be sustainable. For free. Many many other Steem projects couldnt even dream of this possibility.

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8 votes

hightouch 5 years ago (edited)

hi @mys
I strongly disagree with you on this. Nobody here has built their apps on somebody else money, we have built our Dapps without any help, with our own efforts, and our own money, and without expecting a delegation, since this was not something that you can count on.

"During years of delegated SP above dApps gathered more than enough to be sustainable. For free. Many many other Steem projects couldnt even dream of this possibility."

We invested our time and our money to develop those apps. So it's not totaly free as you say no?
When Dtube was first released it made a big boom in the cryptoworld and attracted a lot of users and potential investors to Steem... 3 years ago. Same for DrugWars, just to name few... In my opinion the delegation for Dtube at this time was even low compared to the value bringt to the chain... and for DW it has not received any, even while being the biggest Dapps in the world.

Why that? Did anyone of us put a barrier between other apps and Steemit inc? I never did this and supported all dapps who came to this platform. I did it personaly without expecting any profit and I can show you many proofs of my investment as a simple advisor for other projects. I'm always happy to give an hand to a new builder on Steem.
So again I disagree with you, if some apps wanted to obtain a delegation, they could have dreamed of it and probably received it too and this has nothing to do with the SBA and its delegations/apps.

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cryptokannon 5 years ago

agree with you. time to be independent now, put on the adult pants, or maybe try to talk nicely with justin sun, maybe he will listen if you're lucky...

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svemirac 5 years ago (edited)

To be honest... these dapps had delegation for far too long. I see it as a startup bonus... Here have a delegation for 6 months prove us that you are doing something with vision, and gather your own audience. Simply because you have a dapp does not give you rights to have million steem delegations.If you are good enough you will find supporters and start build dapp and community around it even without delegation.

Fundition has misused funds for so long, no one addressed this and they have 0 users on their platform (state of the dapps metrics).

Steemhunt had interesting vision and project - never went deeply into it and apparently has the most users on them all. can't comment anything on that.

Steempress is a nice implementation but so far for being present for 1.5/2 years to only have 20-100 users in 24hours - does that require 1million delegation to go on?

There were numerous talks about dtube and their policy... the I don't care about steem and whatever happens, has been voiced by dtube few times. Why would you support them more? Yet they still have significant chunk of steem delegated.

3speak got their own 1mil... nothing to worry about that - was never delegated in the first place, not sure why it is listed there - might be developed by oracle-D but there there is SPS for development not a delegation...

And oracle-d has also been around for about 2 years - the most supported thing is a football school academy - which their last post was 5 months ago. And the promise of bringing whales and write posts for them... I don't know

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16 votes

hightouch 5 years ago (edited)

hi @svemirac, I guess you are talking about the use of the delegation for supporting and attracting more players to drugwars, and I would like to remember that we never did that for our personal profit, and we did it with the consentement of steemit inc, furthermore this has been stopped as soon as the delegation committee asked us to do so. When they gave us a month to stop the dw voting pattern, we stopped it before a week. And it was not for so long as you pretend it to be.
But as I can see you don't understand Fundition and how it works, in that way you should inspect first how it works before claiming that nobody use it.
Fundition does not necessarily ask to its users to use the platform to make updates, in fact Fundition is the first DApp who permit to use any DApp on the Steem ecosystem to make updates to a project, so any founder can start his project on Fundition but still use Steemit, Steempeak, Dtube, 3Speak, Steempress or any other existent app to make an update to a project, making the statistic of steemapps useless in this case. Same when an user receive a donation, it is not displayed on Steemapps.
Additionnaly, Fundition converted a tons of FIAT and other cryptos to STEEM. Probably much more than many other DApps here.
So if you think this is the most misused delegation, why not, but if you can't even understand that the metrics on SteemApps does not represent the state of fundition, I guess you are fooled in your judgement.

Best regards,

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petertag 5 years ago

Is this fundition? Hadn't really heard of it before, am not sure this is right

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hightouch 5 years ago

hi @petertag, this is gaming.fundition the little sister of Fundition.io.

Do you have disabled javascript? strange that the translations and the numbers are not updated.

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petertag 5 years ago

Ah, fundition itself does look a lot better. No, I don't, that's why I thought it seemed really weird. Refreshing it got it to show up correctly around 1/3 times, not sure what's up with that. Using brave w/ shields up

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heimindanger 5 years ago

No idea where you gathered that for @dtube. Us not running a node and not taking part in governance doesn't mean we don't care about steem. I guess you had nothing to say considering it's probably the delegation that had the least issues over time.

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bitfiend 5 years ago

No offense but from what I've seen dtube do over the years, some of it is questionable ethics. Nothing against the good you all have done, but some of the statements I've seen in the past told me that dtube didn't care what happens to steem. It's not to say you want it to fail, but it still made me feel like dtube didn't care. It's all about how you put yourself out there.

It wasn't until they came for YOU and YOUR delegations that you decided to speak out. Not for others, though. Just yourselves. Just saying.

Eventually things catch up to you, so you have to wonder if the way you've been running things is 100% right. And just because something is legal, doesn't make it right.

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erickpinos 5 years ago

I think a tier-based delegation system based on milestones achieved would solve a lot of these issues while still supporting the dapps in the ecosystem.

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sadf 5 years ago

That's a fucking brilliant idea man

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oldtimer 5 years ago

I agree.
A lot of truth in this.

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bait002 5 years ago (edited)

I hope you're aware that @oracle-d has brought more than 500k investment to STEEM? Find out and restructure your comment. And oracle-d is way bigger than the Andre Gray Footfall Academy. That takes less than 4% of the curation.

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carlgnash 5 years ago

hmmm remind me again about everything this @justyy Dapp has done? I didn't figure you would be a JSun shill... are you just salty that @curie doesn't have a delegation?

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svemirac 5 years ago

If I was I would be running 22.5 on my witness node, and probably got some delegations just like justy.

For the last 2.5 years (my presence in curie) curie didn't have steemit's delegation, and obviously curie doesn't have a dapp - just like all other curation projects. Why would I be salty now because some other dapps had it?

On the other hand, Justy is supporting chinese community and with sorting JS out and supporting him - he gets to advance on the chain, and gets delegation for his community/project.
Some people like to have leaders to follow - he clearly chose his, nothing wrong with that - after all everyone has a choice.

"The paths fork and divide. With each step you take through Destiny's garden, you make a choice; and every choice determines future paths. However, at the end of a lifetime of walking you might look back, and see only one path stretching out behind you; or look ahead, and see only darkness."

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carlgnash 5 years ago

JSun "apologist" may have been a better term for me to use than JSun "shill". Coming here to troll these DApps and make it seem like JSun is doing a reasonable thing here is shitty. Period. This wasn't part of some well-reasoned reallocation of delegations, shifting some away from DApps that have had delegation for a long time and delegating to new promising DApps. This is a slash of outgoing delegations to free up more SP for the powerdown and dump. He frickin' removed the delegation from STEEMCLEANERS dude. Get your head out of your ass. I honestly can't believe you would come here and try to justify JSun's actions. You have lost a ton of respect from me.

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cleanplanet 5 years ago (edited)

@cleanplanet

CLEAN PLANET is the Well known Ecologic account on STEEM BLOCKCHAIN.
CLEAN PLANET rewards all Steemians who take part of depollution on Earth an prove it.

CLEAN PLANET invents the Proof of Act

This Steem account is supported by many users beacause they know that this initiative is in The First Importance !

We may ask about a big Delegation by Delegation commity... we are expected to get it....

Do you think that rewarding good Eco-citizen actions picking up trash from Nature or city is good ?
This marvellous system of This BLOCKCHAIN can be part to Save us and our only one PLANET...

Keep conscience about That DEAR JUSTIN.

Keep DELEGATIONS on STEEM to Dapps and discover CLEAN PLANET .... ON STEEM and on our WEBSITE here

DELEGATIONS ARE SO IMPORTANT FOR STEEM LIFE

Here's to you
@yann0975 (creator)
@cleanplanet

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oldtimer 5 years ago

Trade delegation for witness vote?

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paulag 5 years ago

For sure. Its relentless

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alexs1320 5 years ago

Dear Communists, welcome to the real world!

You had your delegations for years and besides that fact, you were not able to create a sustainable product, nor growing community.

You are pathetic losers.

Now, your delegations are removed to be given to someone who is not a loser.

Meritocracy hurts when you are dumb

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4 votes

tarazkp 5 years ago

Onto deaf ears I fear

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5 votes

heimindanger 5 years ago

We hope not 🤞

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tarazkp 5 years ago

Hope is always a good position to have. My hope is that the chain doesn't have to survive on it though :)

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nonameslefttouse 5 years ago (edited)

I've been concerned about Dtubers losing this delegation pretty much since the day it was given. I feared many content contributors would simply take it for granted. I'm wondering how many Dtubers actually powered up? Is there enough SP available within that community to keep the place afloat for awhile while things get settled? Is this truly a disaster or can they step up to the plate and take care of themselves now?

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heimindanger 5 years ago

Justin left us 200K SP, maybe as a sign of good faith? Anyway DTube existed before the delegation model, and was doing fine. We also have our own token opening in May that will allow us to start rewarding new users again if our STEEM delegation is truly rip.

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nonameslefttouse 5 years ago

Hopefully this news and the potential loss of income (for now) will encourage people to carry on and try really hard to look out for one another. If I felt like giving advice to anyone today, that would be it. It's so easy to feel defeated around here these days, with more and more seemingly bad news and confusion constantly rising to the top.

I miss the days when a vote from a dolphin like me had some serious power behind it. There's literally thousands of us here who could be helping out if that value was higher... but I digress.

Good luck.

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midlet 5 years ago

I think this is what it really comes down to. These communities have been around for a long time and the users need to support each other, not succle at the tit of Steemit. Those days are done.

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3 votes

nonameslefttouse 5 years ago

Exactly. People can decide today if they want to act like victims or prove to themselves that entity they despise isn't turning them into the puppets they don't want.

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cjsdns 5 years ago

My thoughts and claims are like this.

1,Delegates from Steem Power should be provided to thrive on Steem's hard-working projects.

2,Teams wishing to carry out the project must be able to borrow 2 or 3 times the steem power in proportion to their steem power.

3,Steem power rental is not permitted for accounts with down vote. This is an act that undermines Steem's value.

4,You should not lend steam to a team that sells steam through power off and rental work. This team is not self-reliant.

5,The above account has been positively evaluated, so it's a good idea to rent again to Steem Power. However, I think it should be provided in proportion to your own spa.

모두 힘 내시기 바랍니다.
cjsdns

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heimindanger 5 years ago (edited)

About 2) you need to understand that dapps need to have some liquid for certain situations, we are young startups. If there is a rule like that, we will stupidly power-up more than we can afford to. What about using liquid steem + steem power?

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steemzzang 5 years ago

프로젝트를 운영하거나 비지니스를 하는데 있어 리스크를 타인에게 떠 넘기는것 또한 도덕적으로 문제가 있다고 봅니다. 재단에서 무상임대를 받아서 프로젝트를 운영하는것은 잘되면 프로젝트 운영자가 비지니스 당사자가 좋은것이고 컴뮤니티나 투자자에는 크게 도움이 없습니다. 그러나 프로젝트의 실패는 알게모르게 스팀의 가치를 갉어먹는 현상으로 나타나며 빌린 스파 운영의 책임감 마저 없습니다. 그러나 본인이 투자한 금액이 많으면 그만큼 위험부담을 줄이기 위해서라도 더 열심히 한다고 생각하며 스팀의 사용처나 스테이킹으로 잠기는것이 많아 지리라 봅니다. 거액의 쌩돈을 투자하여 프로젝트를 운영하는데 재단에서 빌린 스팀 파워로 다운 보팅 당하는 기분 어떤지 생각해보시면 내 이야기에 어느정도 공감 하리라 봅니다. 성공하시기 바랍니다.

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valued-customer 5 years ago

"4,You should not lend steam to a team that sells steam..."

Steem, not steam.

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leotrap 5 years ago

hahahaha

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mobbs 5 years ago

You're doing more harm to yourself presenting your underbelly to the dictator who isn't even reading. This wave of open letters is getting pretty cringy...

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markkujantunen 5 years ago

This.

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sathyasankar 5 years ago

Is 'Reading' considered an activity on blockchain? He is inactive coz he has not made a transaction in last 8 days.

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deniskj 5 years ago

Should have saved your energy...Justin will do what he wants to do regardless of what you say.

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kouba01 5 years ago (edited)

Anyway, it still demonstrates a single point of failure in DPoS networks facing trading platforms holding large amounts of tokens. It remains to be seen how the community will react.

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manniman 5 years ago

@project7 STEEM Hunt was upvoting the @Triple.aaa witness yesterday. How foolish of you, but better late than sorry right? You should correct that maybe...?

20200316 00_13_47TripleA Witness _ SteemPeak.png

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onthewayout 5 years ago

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manniman 5 years ago

looks cozy :))

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denmarkguy 5 years ago

If only someone were listening, at the other end...

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manniman 5 years ago

To increase his sock puppet voting powers? Guys, that is the obvious part.

Please Kindly Explain
Would you kindly reach out to us, or explain in the comments why you have removed the delegations of these projects in the comments. We would like to catch up with you to discuss ways to help you manage delegations, what value the dapps create and ways forwards to restore the delegations for the Dapps that create value.

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heimindanger 5 years ago (edited)

Delegations do not transmit witness voting power. Undelegating will NOT give him more stake for witness voting.

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3 votes

manniman 5 years ago

very good information

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kenanqhd 5 years ago

Really? I never knew that. Initially, I thought "one of these days, hes gonna remove the delegations so he can fully upvote his witnesses" but if what you're saying is true, then...

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heimindanger 5 years ago

Delegation was coded this way... You can try it on your account. Delegating doesn't lower your witness voting power.

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lowkeyoak 5 years ago

im rather new here and one must ask themselves =, is what your doing sustainable quantumly and two is fellow man the other quantum machine ?

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manniman 5 years ago

xE what

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sathyasankar 5 years ago

I don't understand!

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argsolver 5 years ago

The SBA membership is made up of some of the most influential businesses already existing in the Steem ecosystem. These organisations form the core of the excellent networking and development partnerships of the Steem Business Alliance.

Well, maybe in a not so distant future, the whole SBA could migrate to a NEWSTEEM on a better protocol

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infosumon 5 years ago

nice

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d00k13 5 years ago

Who is working on the backup plan?

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carrinm 5 years ago

A cannibal at play

Posted using Partiko Android

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mondoshawan 5 years ago (edited)

Our main aim is to create the products of tomorrow while bringing value to this ecosystem, in that way we rely on the security of the chain and making sure it keeps operating as independently as possible going forwards ensuring that our Dapp operations are stable and secure.

Please, what would make you think, that after all what happened, that all these people involved have some interest in all this. The behavior of rich is always directed to the money value and the increase of it. Nothing human in all this, so rich folks mostly have no empathy or even the slightest understanding of something like that. This will end in the way the one with the most power wants it to happen... and since a lot of folks are involved, it just will take a little more time.

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