RE: Let's Talk about Upvoting Bonuses

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abitcoinskeptic in #services • 5 years ago

Thanks for your response and the Resteem.

I think you should phase it out on any SBI comments and sbi2~10 posts as you mentioned, but leave it for the main.

However, I think for the main account's posts it should be left at 2:1 ie 10cent vote = 5cents towards the balance. The voters get back a little more from curation anyway.

I remember reading a post from @holger80 awhile ago about how he set up his auto vote program to vote for SBI's accounts whenever his VP reaches 100% to prevent it from going to waste. So I still see a purpose for this and it will give people a chance to get out 1 a day.

It would definitely prevent abuse, but still give people somewhat of a reason to vote for you.

5 years ago in #services by abitcoinskeptic

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josephsavage 5 years ago

I agree that's a fair compromise. We already have comments and 2-10 set as a separate dial in our configurations, so it's easy to tune them to 0 while only tuning the main account to 50%.

Using upvotes as VP overflow was part of the reason we offered rewards on all posts/comments. The potential for abuse was always there, but the incidence rate was very low until HF21.

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abitcoinskeptic 5 years ago

Good to know it wouldn't be difficult from a back end perspective. I haven't heard many say it would be unfair and it wouldn't be too difficult to change if people did have a problen with it.

I don't think anyone had a serious problem with vote trading before hf21, except for a few people who still have other priorities at the moment. Also, there were much better ways of abusive rewards back then, and SBI has always been of limited size compared to whales, so SBI abuse wouldn't have made sense for the large and visible accounts.

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pifc 5 years ago

It would definitely prevent abuse, but still give people somewhat of a reason to vote for you.

I think that 50% on all main level posts is a fair compromise. This helps support the sustainability by growing the secondary accounts directly and they only post like once a week or less anyways. it's a really small amount of rewards at 50% that we are talking about, but it helps keep the program strong.

A side note, I'd love for a few larger account holders to start a new account without telling anyone this is what they are doing. They can use all their knowledge of steem, but none of their contacts to try and grow their account. After 3 months share with everyone how much effort they put in and the results of that effort. Then be honest how much of their success was due to knowledge of the platform. Even with this knowledge I think most would be shocked at how hard it really is to start off.

Programs like SBI are really helpful in keeping smaller accounts active and growing. Gut it and we will really have issues around here IMO.

_#sbi-skip

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abitcoinskeptic 5 years ago

Even Josephbagreed it wouldn't be difficult to do. I don't know of anyone who is against that compromise. It will still allow whales to maximize sbi votes, but your next suggestion is intriguing.

I feel I would do better if I started a new account too. The best example is justineh. If you already know how to use Steem, it's a huge advantage. Also your real networks can easily handle a change of account name.

Doing it blind with changing other sns like discord too could work to fool people a little longer, but I guess your main idea is starting with less SP.

The networks have the real value and newSteem involes much less direct trade offs. It would give persistant abusers a chance to see their real rewards. I imagine a few already have real accounts anyway.

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