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miniature-tiger in #hf21 • 6 years ago

Moving from a linear rewards curve to a convergent linear rewards curve.

Are the parameters for the convergent linear curve available? The devil is in the detail on this change.

From looking at the vandeberg deep dive post, if you are the first voter on a post / comment, then:

A HF20 $0.02 upvote could initially add $0.00 to a post / comment under HF21.
A HF20 $0.10 upvote could initially add $0.01 to a post / comment under HF21.

In both cases I'm not sure of the numbers, hence the request for the parameters.

Both upvotes would increase back up to (and indeed slightly above) their HF20 values if enough value is added to the post in total.

A communication piece explaining how this particular change will affect smaller votes would be useful. Including what level of overall post value makes for a reasonably "efficient" use of a vote. When HF21 kicks in, this effect will probably come as a surprise to many users.

6 years ago in #hf21 by miniature-tiger

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josephsavage 6 years ago

In his post, @vandeberg gave the exact formula. What more parameters do you want?

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miniature-tiger 6 years ago

He gives a formula of the form: n^2 / (n + 1)
But in the example he uses: n^2 / (n/5 + 1)

My reading was that the post was a broad discussion of the general premise of CLC curves. If the final formula for the HF is confirmed then that would be useful to know.

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josephsavage 6 years ago

Oops, you're right! I missed that bait and switch, where one formula was used for introduction, a different formula to demonstrate examples, and then switched back to the first for the conclusion.

The actual formula they implemented is ( rshares + s ) * ( rshares + s ) - s * s / ( rshares + 4 * s )

It's a bit more complex than explained in the deep-dive, and I don't feel qualified to explain it properly.

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miniature-tiger 6 years ago

Thanks Joseph, that's helpful!

I had a check on github and it looks like "s" may be 2,000,000,000,000 rshares. Working through the formula on that basis gives a curve that:

Starts at 50% of linear (rather than 0% - this is a welcome change!)
But takes quite a long time to move towards approximating linear.

So a HF20 $0.10 upvote would:

initially add $0.05 to a post / comment under HF21.
be worth $0.08 ("80% consensus") around $6 payout.
be worth $0.09 ("90% consensus") around $16 payout.

Although there is also some scaling to take into account (since the lower rewards on smaller value posts would be spread across all posts over time).

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mitrado (1) 6 years ago

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iflagtrash 6 years ago

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