RE: Value Plan Q4 2024 - Q1 2025 Bridge Proposal and Discussion

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niallon11 in #valueplan • 7 days ago

The rally car needs to stop being funded. It was a nice idea at the time. The team did a good job on the design but it's too much money for where we are as an eco-system. We're bleeding funds and price right now so money needs to be carefully managed.

Conferences and events where we can attract users and devs.
Promote individual apps like splinterlands, inleo and peakd.
Cost effective ways to promote brand awareness.

This should be the focus of valueplan in terms of getting value for money by marketing efficiently to a crypto audience.

We have a hiveblocks twitter account that could be used for free, has 40k followers and little to no activity. We aren't doing the basics but we are blowing hundreds of thousands each year with no accountability and no return on investment.

Just look at hive.io and tell me that it is good enough to draw in users. We have no presence on socials like facebook, medium, reddit, instagram where we could actually convert users to our alternatives.

I think that valueplan is hurting the eco-system more than helping it and have to vote against funding it anymore as it seems to be a slush fund for a few lucky users instead of being used to bring in users and developers that we really need.

With a few exceptions like crim and mcsamm who are doing great work it's not being used effectively and with oversight.

It could be a great system to attract attention if the funds are spent wisely and everything is documented but for all the money spent i see no posts on hive or other various sites to tell people about hive or the activities. It's just not good enough for a struggling eco-system to be burning funds like this.

7 days ago in #valueplan by niallon11

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lordbutterfly 6 days ago (edited)

We have no presence on socials like facebook, medium, reddit, instagram where we could actually convert users to our alternatives.

Thats part of what Im doing right now. Ill show the results on it soon. Ive spent about 500 HBD to set up social media managers for a few dapps and projects that dont receive DHF funding that wanted them. Travelfeed, CTT podcast, Waivio and Vibes. Basically to showcase activity on Hive.

So far for Vibes its working out well, ill have some numbers for others as well. Its a very low cost but increases output significantly and some dapps perform better than others. Vibes has seen the most results so far. But its being tried.

Weve been trying to shift focus of the spending but it will take time.
What is really needed is having people willing to volunteer their time otherwise its basically 3 people having to do everything themselves for no pay.

For example: It took 2 weeks to set up a strategy and find people to work for very little money that basically spent only 500 HBD for the social media part.
It took days to deal with the AMA on Reddit wer doing. ANd that was based on which of us might have time to do parts of a basically simple online event. You have 1 person dealing with all exchange listings and another person again having to deal with accounting, collect all the invoices, deal with payments that also deals with their own projects they approved. It took a month to set up the Bitbasel conference im going to. It took 4 months to set up Hivefest with hours each day. And VIbes is also just a marketing initiative basically that also takes a lot of my time to do every week to try and develop connection, get views, get new musicians in, get people to promote it.

So wer stretched very thin. Even responding to valid comments here and those from insane people takes time out of our day.
Then you have people requesting even more work from us.
We need more people willing to contribute.

If there was any pay for all this work, or even more contributors it would be much easier to structure VP and adjust to growing demands. It simply is not. This is being pulled along by sheer determination alone.

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niallon11 6 days ago

Even responding to valid comments here and those from insane people takes time out of our day.

But us crazies love to be responded to. 😅
I'm glad to see that your working in a positive direction and we know that a lot of work goes on behind the scenes. I'm sure that you could enlist more help from the community to do the slower more basic work. I'm happy to volunteer for a couple of smaller tasks if you need.

We need more people willing to contribute.

You could manage a group of people doing the smaller tasks while you spend more time planning and coordinating. The community is full of good users who would get involved if they knew what was needed.

When the splinterlands DAO requested people to cover positions they got a huge response so if there was a list of simple but time consuming roles that could be advertised i think that users would jump in. Especially long term users who can be depended on to stay active in a role.

Personally i would much rather hire a couple of the community to work full time on these tasks ahead of certain other projects with a team of volunteers working alongside them but since it's not the case then i hope that you can find a way to spread the workload to a few more people and take the pressure off as well as see more results.

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lordbutterfly 6 days ago (edited)

But us crazies love to be responded to. 😅

Haha. You know fair well that didnt apply to you. 😅

I'm happy to volunteer for a couple of smaller tasks if you need.

What would you be interested in doing? @guiltyparties was looking for someone to write a article about Hive. Im sure he could use help with that.

The community is full of good users who would get involved if they knew what was needed.

Even the best guys I know that do minor tasks I still end up having to pay. And they need management. I mean I could make a post asking people to do certain things which again needs quality control. lol. Might be some stuff that wont need it... Im just thinking as I write.
Maybe if we had a group on Discord someone wants to create and then kind of recruit volunteers that we could come to with some tasks to do? Maybe would work? But you see how that would also need management.

Personally i would much rather hire a couple of the community to work full time on these tasks ahead of certain other projects with a team of volunteers working alongside them

I mean Splinterlands pays Clay for this type of work. I think its like 60k a year. And Splinterlands is much smaller than Hive. If there was actual pay I could even do corporate talk with no profanity. 😂. Maybe. No promise.
But it would realistically allow us to be more structured because it would be a job. Right now its kinda, "are you grabbing this? Do you want me to grab this? Who can get on this?"
But realistically it wont happen. I can speculate on why. I have my opinions that i shared on why I think it is but it doesnt matter really. It is waht it is.

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niallon11 6 days ago

It is what it is for now but who knows what the future will hold. Until then I think that a discord is a good idea. A select group of interested users ready to help when they can.

Who knows where that might be but it could be handy when your organizing an event or activity to see how is free for 5 hours this week to jump in and help. Or if there is an article to write or graphics to draw up who can take it on.

I have only basic computer skills so can only help where it makes sense. Write articles if needed, to the best of my abilities.
I would be happy to take on the twitter account or another media account that we think could gain exposure. Push hive information to a wider audience or share interesting content to more people. Especially as peakd are now trialing ads onsite more views could have an impact on price and brand image. Nothing will bring in users faster than a big rise in price over the next year or two.

Many hands make light work so if you did have a support group of 10-20 people in a discord chat, surely it could accomplish something and lighten the load on the three for you.

I can see that a discord would need to be managed from helping with the inleo team for a while. They had a great start but unfortunately were juggling too many projects and didn't stay on top of the group that they had willing to work on their behalf. It takes a lot of time to organize initiatives of any level.

again, work on this scale really needs a full time person as organizer with volunteers to help but maybe down the line it it could be shown to be effective and how much time goes into it.

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lordbutterfly 6 days ago (edited)

I would be happy to take on the twitter account or another media account that we think could gain exposure..

Im not sure that would be possible for the Hiveblocks account but you could DM any dapp that should be posting more and ask them to take over. For example, Ecency and Peakd dont post nearly as often but VP cant give funds towards them because they already get DHF funding. Peakd for example was interested in it. They might be someone you can ask to help out.

For the discord, I dont want to manage it. Honestly. It would be more work. But if someone else wants to do it, and it works, would be great. Im cynical as in people willing to contribute for no pay. But again, this isnt something that even needs a VP blessing. Anyone can do it themselves and run it themselves.

For graphics stuff its usually Crim that does it when she has time or I think Hive creators are paid for stuff like it. Im not entirely sure.

The Inleo thing they did was a lot of work and if you remember they did pay people in the end.

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guiltyparties 6 days ago

The car only has one race which is already pre-paid from the previous car's sale. We already have potential partners talking to us only on the mention of this particular race.

I agree with a lot of what you said. It's right on. Except that it goes to a few lucky users - none of the event organizers get paid. Salaries are outright banned. That's one of the reasons VP even came to be to prevent any spending on salaries.

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niallon11 6 days ago

I hope that I'm wrong and that the car can lead to something good for hive but i just don't see it at the moment. I've heard nothing that shows me otherwise.

I know that there are a lot of people here putting in a lot of work on behalf of hive so i don't want to be bashing. I want us to be successful as a community.

There are plenty more users who would help work towards this given the chance. Take the hiveblocks twitter account. Pay for the yearly premium and if you or whoever has control of the account doesn't have the time to put it to work give password access to myself, a different user or a small group to keep it active and spread awareness of Hive.

Same could go to telegram, linkdin and any other big crypto hub. Get a group of users to work on a social strategy together and make some noise.

All of these projects above getting funded should be making regular promotional posts as part of the funding that we can take and share across the board. If you were in charge of a company you would be pushing staff to get on linkdin and share every update or activity. We should be in the same mindset.

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