Most of the mass shootings wont be stopped. Most of them are done with legal firearms. The smaller scale urban shootings wont be effected really either because those guns are usually illegal anyway...
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Of course they would stop. Not all, but a majority would. Reducing gun availability goes a long way towards reducing mass shootings. Thats simply common sense. When you can buy a gun down the street for a few hundred dollars that makes it extremely easy to come upon a weapon.
An illegally purchased automatic weapon costs about 2000% more in Australia then in US. If you can pay that much more for a gun as a criminal you really dont need to be a criminal.
I dont really care. I dont live in the US, nor do i consider myself a liberal but the gun discussion is the stupidest shit i have heard in my life.
Get a fucking taser, a damn slingshot, your self defense potential doesnt go down one bit and everyones safer for it.
Most people are idiots and most people can buy guns in the US. Enough said.
Then explain to me why Chicago's -- which is home to some of the strictest gun laws in the US -- Southside faces mass shootings on a regular basis (the media ignores these)? Regular, law-abiding citizens, especially young African Americans in the city's Southside, have to jump through a series of hoops to get a gun, let alone carry one. As a result, they are left defenseless...meanwhile, its business-as-usual for all the gangs, which don't seem to have any issues buying illegal firearms at competitive prices.
As for your "simply common sense" remark: the vast, heavily-statistically significant majority of gun-related deaths and homicides in the US are committed with a handgun.
And in regards to "get a fucking taser, a damn slingshot" -- not sure I agree with you there, but I also think there's a cultural gap here. The USA is unique in that the right to bare arms is enshrined in our founding documents, in the Constitution. It was no accident that the Founding Fathers made this the 2nd amendment right after the 1st (free speech, free press, etc.). The 2nd Amendment was not created to ensure hunting and sport shooting, and it wasn't primarily focused on a crazy man breaking into your house. The 2nd Amendment was made to ensure that the public has the means to defend its freedom and private property were the Government to ever go usurpatious.
Now, I'm not some paranoid who thinks the US government will go usurpatious any time soon; rather, I just wanted to illustrate why the constitutional right to bare arms is no fundamental and sacrosanct in the American psyche.
Then explain to me why Chicago's....
This is why i call this discussion stupidity at its maximum. No one should even be discussing this and you obviously are just repeating dumbass arguments you picked up from one side...
Does Illinois have a hard border with Indiana or Wisconsin? lol.
Let me ask you something that you can understand as a right winger.
If you opened the border with Mexico completely and anyone could get in.... How many more hundreds of thousands of immigrants would you be getting more per year?
Now apply that logic to guns and your Chicago question.
Reducing gun availability goes a long way towards reducing mass shootings. Thats simply common sense.
Thats what i said and your answer to that is: "As for your "simply common sense" remark: the vast, heavily-statistically significant majority of gun-related deaths and homicides in the US are committed with a handgun."
How is what you said in any way related to my common sense argument?
The USA is unique in that the right to bare arms is enshrined in our founding documents, in the Constitution.
Change it. Its a fucking document someone wrote few hundred years ago when they thought keeping slaves was a good idea.
"Founding fathers!" You guys love talking about them as if they were saints. Some of them probably had gonorrhea for sleeping with prostitutes, others kept slaves. Theyre just people that had no idea what the future would hold when they wrote that, let alone that the US can kill people on the other side of the world at a press of a button.
The 2nd Amendment was made to ensure that the public has the means to defend its freedom and private property were the Government to ever go usurpatious.
You gonna defend against a Tomahawk missile? How about a Drone strike? A tank? An F16?
You just like guns. Its as simple as that. Theres no deeper reason to it and youre more then happy to let hundreds of people die as long as you can find your justification as to why you should be allowed to keep what ever gun you want.
As long as theres a justification. I mean people do it all the time. People will find justification for every fucking thing. Nazis had their justification for killing jews. Americans had their justifications for keeping slaves.
People are generally idiots and are more likely to shoot themselves in the head if they own a gun then anyone else.
But honestly mass shootings are good tv, good for ratings. Outrage sells.
You just cant bring the lifes lost back.
Boom! Beautiful reply, succinct, intelligent and completely rational. The gun advocates nightmare! Lolz.
I'm following you based solely on this answer :-)
Funny, never considered myself a "right winger"; but thanks for the pointless label. It's good to see how black and white you think.
I mean after Australia ban guns in 1996 and there hasn't been a mass shooting since then.I feel like the constitution stating everyone has a right is crazy to take serious as how were they to predict the leaps in technology.They were using one shot muskets,dont think they were expecting to get an AK for as cheap as a Playstation
Aussie here. We still have mass shootings; a family was wiped out by their grandfather in Perth a few years ago, and a guy shot up Darwin a couple of months back.
We also still have gun-less mass murders here.
Our nutters light bushfires, or chain up and burn down nursing homes or backpacker hostels.
That family was the worst since 96 though at 7 losts.I actually misses that all together.
Still in regards to burning down thing its fair less effective than a AR which you can potentially kill dozens in seconds to be fair.Ye your right though nutters will be nutters.
Not really. My politics include liberal and right wing ideas. Prolly mistaken you for someone else.
If that is the case and you arent right wing i apologize.
The rest i stand by.
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You think guns are entering Illinois through Indiana and Wisconsin? No they are crossing the Mexican border through the drug cartels that have connections to gangs all over the US. It's more complicated than just saying "gun control", which doesn't even begin to deal with the problem. And, no, it actually not that easy to get a gun here legally. And if our current laws were actually enforced it wouldn't be that easy to get one illegally either.
Arent there states between Chicago and Mexico through which guns can pass freely through? So isnt my point true that gun free zones do nothing if the availability of fire arms stays the same.
Arent Ecuadorian immigrants entering through Mexico?
Lol
You know what the funny thing is... In order for a "liberally painted" change (gun ban/regulation) to work properly you need to enact a "right wing painted" change which is building a wall and fortifying the border. 😂
Two things go hand in hand when you discuss this but the changes are on opposite sides of politics. Haha.
Gun control doesnt end with legislation. You write a law and you think that would work. Thats foolish.
There are many factors at play.
And, no, it actually not that easy to get a gun here legally.
Its quite easy. Market is in part determined by scarcity and as i said an illegal firearm is 2000% more expensive in Australia then in US.
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You are exactly right. On many issues.
No civilian needs a gun in an urban setting.
The whole pro-gun argument is as juvenile as Trump & his followers.
Well thank you. I love being right online. It changes the world. 😁
Kidding... Lol
The world is painted black and white politically and thats wrong.
You cant fix anything if everything can fall into only 2 camps.
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I want to end gun violence by using guns to attack and kill anyone who has a gun and doesn't want to give it up for a marginal change in potential shootings in shit holes like Chicago. Ultimately mass shootings will be unchanged because the perps can plan ahead anyway.
I mean I get it, but the problem with a lot of people who talk like you do is that you cant think two steps ahead. Shit has consequences, if you do something it doesn't just suddenly change everything for the better. Real life doesn't work that way.
Gun free zones dont work because you can easily cross borders. Federal laws prevent that from happening as federal borders are more secure than state and county borders.
Fun that you use every right wing talking point but still claim to be a lefty tho lol
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Funny how you think this is a "left vs right" discussion. Shouldn't you be handing out quests and repeating yourself over and over again? LOL
Funny how you ignore my point because you have no argument.
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Gun free zones dont work because you can easily cross borders.
Was irrelevant because America has too many guns right now anyway. Also borders Mexico... Its not a good argument. Also if you follow through on the steps that would take place to enforce banning of guns it would mean massive increase in gun violence.
Also lol at the downvote HAHA, I was wondering when you would finally give in and throw the first penny punch. lol Fucking resorted to censorship piece of immoral shit! How does it feel to know you gave up any potential of having moral high ground at this point. I never once fucking downvoted your shit no matter what. Because unlike you I believe everyone should have a right to their opinions.
But now we all can see where you stand. A censorship hungry piece of shit. :)
Whaaaaahhh I hate Trump but I want him to take our guns away!
WAHHH NAZIS ARE COMING QUICK TAKE AWAY EVERYONE'S GUNS!!
The logic of banning guns is AMAZING to me. You would think the first thing ANTIFA needs to do is get more guns...
This is fucking cringe... You want TRUMP, a known racist Nazi (In your mind) to take away our guns.
Lol im not censoring you im lowering the money you make off of uninformed gibberish. You having a meltdown only makes me want to actually censor you just to watch you cry tho. You have no room for nuance so your arguments make no sense since its just straw man after straw man after straw man.
Cry harder.
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Lol im not censoring you im lowering the money you make off of uninformed gibberish
It means you got salty as fuck and had to resort to downvotes :D
That's called jealousy. You got mad nobody cares about your opinions and decided to hit me up for a penny.
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Gun free zones dont work because you can easily cross borders.
Was irrelevant because America has too many guns right now anyway. Also borders Mexico... Its not a good argument. Also if you follow through on the steps that would take place to enforce banning of guns it would mean massive increase in gun violence.
^ You are just mad you got nothing to counter this.
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I really don't think that would do it. Criminals and crazies, the ones you need to remove the guns from, are not going to do it. Law abiding and sane people might. Criminals and crazies are both criminal and crazy. If all we had in America was law abiding and sane people then your plan would potentially work.
The Mexico boarder is a joke. Its the entire reason for the whole build a wall thing with Trump. Its especially not going to be more secure if Trump loses in 2020. Well maybe, democrats kind of have a history of being far more brutal than they make themselves out to be. Obama was a huge war hawk and was brutal to immigrants.
Does not matter if they kill a zillion infants every second. Criminals and crazies will never give up their guns. You have to do it by force.
At least I am not the kind of person who conflates right wing politics as being pro gun violence. It actually blows my mind that there are people who have become so partisan that they just think the other side is basically evil.
I want a solution, I want less gun violence. But there isn't a solution right now. One way to reduce gun violence would be to reduce the rise of communism in the country. The destruction of a generation tends to lead to the decline and blowoff phase of a civilization. You end up getting harder times.
I think we are just fucked.
Was irrelevant because America has too many guns right now anyway.
Thats what makes them cheap.
I would think thats the whole point of the ban and regulation. To CHANGE the fact that the US has too many guns.
I mean people for regulation and bans say that by making those adjustments there would be less guns and less gun violence, mass shootings, what ever and your answer is basically:
You cant have less guns because the US has a lot of guns.
Lol. And you have the gal to pound your chest and call yourself a "victor" in the convo with the girl there.
Give me a break.
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I would think thats the whole point of the ban and regulation. To CHANGE the fact that the US has too many guns.
You would need to do it by force. It would be a civil war easily. That's the problem. Listen to me, its never going to happen and the difference it would make if everyone did give them up would be a net negative anyway. Gun crime would be largely the same, mass shootings would be the same. Home invasions would sky rocket. other kinds of crime would increase dramatically. Its suggesting we go into civil war for no reason.
No its not, its 100% solvent. Its something that can never happen anyway, and even if it did nothing would change. Performing the act would also require basically going into civil war.
And in the case of a liberal who hates Trump and believes Nazis are on the rise it makes even less sense.
Imagine being so stupid as to claim we need a group like ANTIFA to protect us from the Nazi horde and then demand we take away everyone's guns.
The first thing the Nazis did was take away everyone's guns lol
